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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:31:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Distinguishing between free and bound variables To: Lojban X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042ef4bb68da4704d2288c9f X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d042ef4bb68da4704d2288c9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Hopefully in binary at least, that would at least increase the bound to > 31.. > That sentence is not difficult at all in my opinion. {.u'i} > I was thinking that, but I didn't reply because it would have been unproductive. {lo banli pensi vo'a se pensi simsa} (great minds think alike) > Maybe > {ju'o do na skudji lonu ba'e broda} > "Surely you don't mean to say -something unspecified-" > works? > That doesn't work for the same reason as {ko'a}; I may have used {cei} somewhere to bind it. > That way you leave the different values for your /X/ up to context. > Honestly speaking, I'm not really sure I understood your english example. > What is it supposed to mean? If I say "You are not allowed to say things like 'X is stupid'", I don't mean that you're not allowed to call a particular person stupid but that you're not allowed to call anyone stupid; however, I'm not using {da} to bind to the referent of your insult. Instead I'm providing a template for making a bridi and telling you not to use any bridi that could be made using that template. > I can't find a scenario in which the /X/ would > not take a specific value depending on context. > It's not so much that /X/ doesn't take a specific value as that it doesn't take a specific value at time of utterance. -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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Hopefully in binary at le= ast, that would at least increase the bound to 31..
That sentence is not difficult at all in my opinion. {.u'i}

I was thinking that, but I didn't reply becaus= e it would have been unproductive.
{lo banli pensi vo'a s= e pensi simsa} (great minds think alike)
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Maybe
{ju'o do na skudji lonu ba'e broda}
"Surely you don't mean to say -something unspecified-"
works?

That doesn't work for the sa= me reason as {ko'a}; I may have used {cei} somewhere to bind it.
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That way you leave the different values for your /X/ up to context.
Honestly speaking, I'm not really sure I understood your english exampl= e.
What is it supposed to mean?

If I say "You are no= t allowed to say things like 'X is stupid'", I don't mean that you're not allowed to call a particular person stupid but=20 that you're not allowed to call anyone stupid; however, I'm not usi= ng=20 {da} to bind to the referent of your insult. Instead I'm providing a=20 template for making a bridi and telling you not to use any bridi that could= be made using that template.
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I can't find a scenario in which the /X/ would
not take a specific value depending on context.

It's not so much that /X/ doesn't take a specific value as= that it doesn't take a specific value at time of utterance.


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