On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:

Seems like this would = interact nicely with the setting of American Gods, where {lo cevni b= e noda} are literally dying mostly because {noda ra cevni}.

I think some theist philosophers would disagree with your definit= ion, though; it's, in a sense, very anthropocentric; {pu ji'a sai l= o nu zasti lo remna ku la .jegvon. ze'e ca cevni fi ro da}
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Jonathan = Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, Dec = 30, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:

So it seems like your notion of {cevni} focuses more centr= ally on worship and dominion than on divinity.
=

No, it focus entirely on status. Their servants thought they were = gods, we know they aren't. If someone think that X is god, then to that= person, {da cevni}. If someone else does not think X is a god, or alternat= ively /knows/ that X isn't, hen to /that/ person, {da na cevni}.
=A0
On Sun, Dec 3= 0, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrot= e:

On Sun, Dec = 30, 2012 at 8:24 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

Which is why I say misleading and not incorrect.
<= br>
Also, {la'oi Goa'uld cevni xu} by your definition (ignore = if you haven't seen Stargate SG-1)?

{.i go'i jenai go'i .i na cevni mi to fangypre po'o toi .i = cevni lo gy. remna selfu}
Yes and no. Not gods to me (just aliens), but gods to their human servants.=
=A0

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Jonathan Jones = <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:00 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:

Then I believe that the jbovlaste definition of {cevni} is= misleading:
Definition: x1 is a/the god/deity of people(s)/relig= ion x2 with dominion over x3 [sphere]; x1 is divine.
note the secondary definition. = I would consider angels to be divine.

= Well, then you're using a different sense of the word "divine"= ; than jbovlaste is, because the sense of "divine" in the English= definition of {cevni} is "(of or pertaining to a god): deific, godlik= e, godly", whereas you seem to be meaning "(eternal, holy): hallo= wed, holy, sacred".

<= div class=3D"gmail_extra">
On Sun, Dec = 30, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrot= e:

Even demons, and if yo= u stretch the meaning /really/ far, djinn.

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>= wrote:

On Sun, Dec = 30, 2012 at 1:28 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

xu se cumki smuni lo ka ce'u ge angeli gi cevni

<= /div>{cevni} can refer to many different things, but not angels. Gods, godd= esses, demi-god(esse)s, oni, and so on and so forth.

But not angels.= Angels are not gods, they aren't even god-like. Except for maybe the a= rchangels, they're barely above humans, and in many ways are lower on t= he totem pole (like the complete lack of free will, emotion, or creativity,= for example).

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Lu= ke, I am your father. :D )

--
mu'o = mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi= .luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father= . :D )

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojba= n?hl=3Den.

--
= mu'o mi'e .arpis.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojba= n?hl=3Den.

=
--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojba= n?hl=3Den.

--
mu'o mi= 'e .arpis.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojba= n?hl=3Den.
=
--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojba= n?hl=3Den.