Received: from mail-gh0-f187.google.com ([209.85.160.187]:53060) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TqQ04-00088h-Ag; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 07:13:07 -0800 Received: by mail-gh0-f187.google.com with SMTP id g2sf7236312ghb.4 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 07:12:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=x8RS6btwltHG+NwhrLQ3um3lwnFsskbDOqrUDmd977Y=; b=vPFdMocxS5USEoQx8XVwvuZPtvG0TTbNBJu1ADlB3Y9lzch3mNG3j3nXhuKucBY/CD Q+Nhz5l3mcSHd1m6rMwP0Y1EUmhhdBbN30dluuBxiAjvbSVefxFYrLuEyKoJGUargQWr 4A4Ohq1XkBYLgMjSvKPHUaZ0r4K+uaq0DOlZWR5KUL47DRnzdiPxfktrUSR880cS4e4W RN0MBG78M/HzLgQKUOAjTlmX5zAVUTORVCmQDKivhpjVqNkQ8eOKcZ1p/d+IF6fAqh67 TXaTyZ+XrGyWIqvcyn/z5kbLnv8ePKGZc1ru27LBxKCqh0xG6mFn1E1syNnfn3LZ2fFH xOqQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=x8RS6btwltHG+NwhrLQ3um3lwnFsskbDOqrUDmd977Y=; b=kpgt9da9xeoG8tIE0x9AJiZ+7On+tMHfdz+VOmlD1U9Qg9BIZ/hIpXciWCkBrKtMF/ xc8PnL/DoXCaj68cu/QgJdBKUDf2PYafIZPOAplqtG0B4xeDwor6fNkummbHL0iRxNQp urqD7TBaaZ55BzJQQsdFs/BD+l5KTx9pBwOIpz0ky1bXonkRVA7udrXIGS+pEXjm1K7h 23KOCKIkBifT7GjpCrfziPRYjVgf1SeLzdc4e2JyzwbAUW+/Xhe7qMLem+n/t2xUH2v2 F/HfFsZugBjtFkxr4Cz1Q9K1NxgTbQwV9MfD0Vlkd5gPtzUtj56gEpnvCMOOek505sXA zywA== X-Received: by 10.49.1.43 with SMTP id 11mr7099435qej.29.1357139573936; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 07:12:53 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.35.74 with SMTP id f10ls5908104qej.48.gmail; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 07:12:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.49.60.40 with SMTP id e8mr7050383qer.40.1357139572384; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 07:12:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 07:12:51 -0800 (PST) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [lojban] strategic ambiguity of language MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_701_9934744.1357139571606" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_701_9934744.1357139571606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This article is actually a good exercise for nintadni. On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:06:37 PM UTC+4, gejyspa wrote: > > Of course, since the lojban base sentence contains more than 7 words, we > have a lot more possibilities for fun: > > mi no ba'e roi cusku le sedu'u ko'a zerle'a lo jdini pe mi (Why would you > think I had said "nore'u"? That's just silly!) > mi noroi cusku le se ba'e du'u ko'a zerle'a lo jdini pe mi (This one's a > bit harder to justify. Although a construct like "...le se si'o ko'a > jdini...." is grammatically fine, se du'u is basically the only thing that > transforms bridi -> text, which cusku2 requires.) > mi noroi cusku le sedu'u ko'a zerle'a lo jdini ba'e pe mi (In fact, what > I said was "po mi"..) > --gejyspa > > > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Remo Dentato > > wrote: > >> I agree that such "ambiguities" are important and I think it's a Lojban >> plus to be able to reflect the same ambiguity. >> >> {mi noroi cusku le sedu'u ko'a zerle'a lo jdini pe mi} >> >> WIth the added benefit of being able to convey the disambiguation >> grammatically (i.e. without resorting to typographical conventions like >> bold) using {ba'e}: >> >> {ba'e mi noroi cusku le sedu'u ko'a zerle'a lo jdini pe mi} >> {mi ba'e noroi cusku le sedu'u ko'a zerle'a lo jdini pe mi} >> >> etc. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 9:58 AM, la gleki >> > wrote: >> >>> Let me act as *la .ki'es.di'es.* a little :) >>> >>> >>> http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2012/12/25/strategic-ambiguity-of-language/ >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/n59CmCju-NEJ. >>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/G0mPsA-np2oJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_701_9934744.1357139571606 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This article is actually a good exercise for nintadni.

On Wednesday,= January 2, 2013 7:06:37 PM UTC+4, gejyspa wrote:
  Of course, since the lojban base= sentence contains more than 7 words, we have a lot more possibilities for = fun:

 mi no ba'e roi cusku le sedu'u ko'a zerle'a l= o jdini pe mi (Why would you think I had said "nore'u"? That's just silly!)=
 mi noroi cusku le se ba'e du'u ko'a zerle'a lo jdini pe mi (This= one's a bit harder to justify. Although a construct like "...le se si'o ko= 'a jdini...." is grammatically fine, se du'u is basically the only thing th= at transforms bridi -> text, which cusku2 requires.)
  mi noroi cusku le sedu'u ko'a zerle'a lo jdini ba'e pe mi (In f= act, what I said was "po mi"..)
         = ;    --gejyspa
 

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Remo Dentato <= rden...@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree that such "amb= iguities" are important and I think it's a Lojban plus to be able to reflec= t the same ambiguity.

{mi noroi cusku le sedu'u ko'a zerle'a lo jdini pe mi}

WIth the added benefit of being able to convey the disambiguation gramm= atically (i.e. without resorting to typographical conventions like bold) us= ing {ba'e}:

{ba'e mi noroi cusku le sedu'u ko'a zerle'a lo jdini pe = mi}
{mi ba'e noroi cusku le sedu'u ko'a zerle'a lo jdini pe mi}

et= c.



On Fri, D= ec 28, 2012 at 9:58 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Let me act as la .ki'es.di'es. a litt= le :)

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