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On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 03:08:50PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 02:27:12PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:07 PM, .alyn.post.
> > > <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org>wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'd like mine to be the official one.  It requires more work on
> > > > my end yet before I consider it in good enough shape to submit
> > > > as a proposal.
> > > >
> > > > There are not substantive differences, right now, between
> > > > jbogenturfa'i and camxes.  The files are different at the
> > > > bit-level, but the parser level produces the same result.  Robin
> > > > and I have shared patches as errata have come up.
> > > >
> > > > The grammars will diverge when I merge my magic-word work.  I
> > > > got burned out on that effort last year and have been trying to
> > > > restart it.  It is standing in the way of other work I'd also
> > > > like to do. So far life keeps intervening.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You mean, because you'll /have/ magic-word parsing, which no other
> > > parser has as of yet?
> >
> > camxes most certainly *does* have magic word parsing:
> >
> 
> Well, si is easy. IIRC, sa and su aren't working in jbosku or .camxes., and
> there are some magic word combos that aren't worked out either, like zo si
> (although I'm sure zo si is worked out to be: zo si = "si", zo si si = "".)

The problem is that the CLL's explanations of magic words *cannot*
be reconciled; there are direct contradictions.  "su" is, in fact,
working, and while sa isn't perfect, it works too:

rlpowell@stodi> echo 'mi klama lo klama sa le sutra' | camxes
text
   sentence
   |- CMAVO
   |     KOhA: mi
   |- bridiTail3
      |- BRIVLA
      |     gismu: klama
      |- sumti6
         |- CMAVO
         |     LE: le
         |- BRIVLA
               gismu: sutra

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Magic+Words encodes the decisions I made
in camxes; in some places camxes doesn't actually do what that page
says, and in some places even with how detailed that page tried to
be it's *still* incomplete.  That's why aisa is working on it.

-Robin

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