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Is camxes based on initial BNF parser, just adapted? Or was it written from scratch? On Thursday, January 3, 2013 2:21:34 AM UTC+4, Robin Powell wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 03:08:50PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > > rlpo...@digitalkingdom.org > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 02:27:12PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:07 PM, .alyn.post. > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'd like mine to be the official one. It requires more work on > > > > > my end yet before I consider it in good enough shape to submit > > > > > as a proposal. > > > > > > > > > > There are not substantive differences, right now, between > > > > > jbogenturfa'i and camxes. The files are different at the > > > > > bit-level, but the parser level produces the same result. Robin > > > > > and I have shared patches as errata have come up. > > > > > > > > > > The grammars will diverge when I merge my magic-word work. I > > > > > got burned out on that effort last year and have been trying to > > > > > restart it. It is standing in the way of other work I'd also > > > > > like to do. So far life keeps intervening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean, because you'll /have/ magic-word parsing, which no other > > > > parser has as of yet? > > > > > > camxes most certainly *does* have magic word parsing: > > > > > > > Well, si is easy. IIRC, sa and su aren't working in jbosku or .camxes., > and > > there are some magic word combos that aren't worked out either, like zo > si > > (although I'm sure zo si is worked out to be: zo si = "si", zo si si = > "".) > > The problem is that the CLL's explanations of magic words *cannot* > be reconciled; there are direct contradictions. "su" is, in fact, > working, and while sa isn't perfect, it works too: > > rlpowell@stodi> echo 'mi klama lo klama sa le sutra' | camxes > text > sentence > |- CMAVO > | KOhA: mi > |- bridiTail3 > |- BRIVLA > | gismu: klama > |- sumti6 > |- CMAVO > | LE: le > |- BRIVLA > gismu: sutra > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Magic+Words encodes the decisions I made > in camxes; in some places camxes doesn't actually do what that page > says, and in some places even with how detailed that page tried to > be it's *still* incomplete. That's why aisa is working on it. > > -Robin > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/eTfCbDn0Fs0J. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_214_3482720.1357192969025 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for stupid questions (I haven't looked at the code). Is camxes based = on initial BNF parser, just adapted?
Or was it written from scratch?


On Thursday, January 3, 2013 2:21:34 AM UTC+4, Robin Powell= wrote:
On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at= 03:08:50PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpo...@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>=20
> > On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 02:27:12PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrot= e:
> > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:07 PM, .alyn.post.
> > > <alyn...@lodockikumazvati.org>wrote= :
> > >
> > > > I'd like mine to be the official one.  It requ= ires more work on
> > > > my end yet before I consider it in good enough shap= e to submit
> > > > as a proposal.
> > > >
> > > > There are not substantive differences, right now, b= etween
> > > > jbogenturfa'i and camxes.  The files are diffe= rent at the
> > > > bit-level, but the parser level produces the same r= esult.  Robin
> > > > and I have shared patches as errata have come up.
> > > >
> > > > The grammars will diverge when I merge my magic-wor= d work.  I
> > > > got burned out on that effort last year and have be= en trying to
> > > > restart it.  It is standing in the way of othe= r work I'd also
> > > > like to do. So far life keeps intervening.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You mean, because you'll /have/ magic-word parsing, whic= h no other
> > > parser has as of yet?
> >
> > camxes most certainly *does* have magic word parsing:
> >
>=20
> Well, si is easy. IIRC, sa and su aren't working in jbosku or .cam= xes., and
> there are some magic word combos that aren't worked out either, li= ke zo si
> (although I'm sure zo si is worked out to be: zo si =3D "si", zo s= i si =3D "".)

The problem is that the CLL's explanations of magic words *cannot*
be reconciled; there are direct contradictions.  "su" is, in fact,
working, and while sa isn't perfect, it works too:

rlpowell@stodi> echo 'mi klama lo klama sa le sutra' | camxes
text
   sentence
   |- CMAVO
   |     KOhA: mi
   |- bridiTail3
      |- BRIVLA
      |     gismu: klama
      |- sumti6
         |- CMAVO
         |     LE: le
         |- BRIVLA
               gismu: sutra

ht= tp://www.lojban.org/tiki/Magic+Words encodes the decisions I made
in camxes; in some places camxes doesn't actually do what that page
says, and in some places even with how detailed that page tried to
be it's *still* incomplete.  That's why aisa is working on it.

-Robin

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