mi'e la latro'a mu'o
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com> wrote:

On T= hu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Ian Johnson <blindb.= ..@gmail.com> wrote:

The first version is wrong; that says "there exists exactly one yellow hair= ed thing which ..." (Rather, there is a very slightly less controversial ve= rsion that I tend to subscribe to: "there is exactly one yellow-haired thin= g that is at all possible to come up in discussion which ..." The point is = that the default universe of discourse should be the universe of dis= course, there shouldn't be anything that be reasonably anticipated to come = up in conversation that isn't actually in it.)

I subscribe to the idea that the "universe of d= iscourse" is bound by the context that discourse is in, mainly because forc= ing PA GISMU to mean that there is exactly PA things that GISMU makes the c= onstruct pretty much useless, seeing as statements like that are pretty muc= h always incorrect. But this isn't the list to talk about thee issues, bein= g the beginner's thread and all.

If you use su'o instead it's not terrible, but really {da} constructs when = you don't want nice sharp precision tend to be undesirable, in my experienc= e.

At any rate, here I'd probably say {lo se ke pelxu kerfa}. {le} = might also be appropriate in this context, but I doubt I'd use it. That sai= d, I think more likely the structure of the discussion would be different a= mong fluent in-real-life Lojban speakers. (Few of these exist; I, for examp= le, am pretty quick on IRC, but am almost completely helpless when it comes= to spatial things.) I'd expect a lot of up-front establishment of pronouns= , for example.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Wed= , Jan 2, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Jonathan Jones <eye...= @gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 10:01 AM, neizyn. <<= a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"o-HKUMQIW= GwJ">sja...@gmail.com> wrote:

coi
.i mi'e neizyn.

Sorry, I'm ju= st a beginnger! but I was wondering about a special situation.
Su= ppose there's a group of girls with one guy; I'm talking to one of the girl= s, and I make a statement referring to the guy without unambiguously referr= ing to him by name or other reference. This is because he's the only person= in the group like that. Say he's blonde. Is there a way I can say tha= t "someone is blond" oooooor 'blonde exists/obtains such that x is blonde' = ? Better yet, could I use that with some kind of reference?

{pa pelxre} =3D=3D {pa da poi pelkre} =3D> "= one X which-is golden-haired"
{pa lo prenu poi pelxre} =3D> "A singul= ar person which-is blonde"
{lo pelxre prenu} =3D> "One or more blonde= type-of person"
{ko'a goi (any of the above)} =3D> "It-1, which-is what we will call {an= y of the above)"

I'm sure there's other ways to do it as well, but t= hose are the most obvious, to me at any rate.=

--
mu'o mi'e .aio= nys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do= zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<= /div>

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-b...@googlegroups.co= m.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginne...@= googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/<= wbr>group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-b...@googlegroups.co= m.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginne...@= googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/<= wbr>group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den.

=
--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa b= u .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-b...@googlegroups.co= m.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginne...@= googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/<= wbr>group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-b...@googlegroups.co= m.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginne...@= googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/<= wbr>group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den.