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la .aionys. cu cusku di'e
> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com
> <mailto:nictytan@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     It looks like you're using the old interpretation of ZAhO, namely
>     {za'o lo nu broda} -> {ca lo nu za'e broda}, but everyone on IRC these
>     days is using another interpretation, namely {broda za'o lo nu brode}
>     -> {za'o broda ca lo nu brode}, which has the advantage of not
>     implicitly modifying the contents of the tagged sumti (which no other
>     tags do).
>
>
> Alright, then, if that's "Event X begins during the time of Event Y",
> then how does IRC say "Event X happens at the beginning of Event Y"?

"broda ca lo nu co'a brode"

Your haiku translates to:

"Starting in spring
flower buds will blossom,
and so comes beauty.

Your haiku means the same as:

ca lo vensa ku
lo xrula co'a banro
ja'e lo nunmle

In spring
flowers begin to grow
and so comes beauty.

(I had to change "cifxrula" to "xrula" to keep the syllable count right)

Which is not bad either, but if you want "when spring begins", you need 
a combination of "co'a" and "ca", either as "ca lo nu co'a vensa cu 
broda" or as "ca lo vensa cu co'a broda". Of course this ruins your 
haiku's syllable count.

ca lo nu co'a vensa
cu banro fa lo xrula
ja'e lo nunmle

Here's a possible fix, though it's already quite different from the 
original, plus I really don't like the -cfa-:

lo nunvesycfa
cu jai co'a rulba'o
ja'e lo nunmle

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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