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On Monday, January 7, 2013 1:44:19 PM UTC+4, v4hn wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jan 06, 2013 at 11:55:01PM -0800, la gleki wrote: 
> > 1. "i remember kissing her" 
>
> .i mi morji lodu'u pu ca'o cinba ko'a 
>

Yes, I wasn't that clear. 
<latro'a> it's a deficit I've noticed recently: fact memory and 
experiential memory really have almost nothing to do with one another
<latro'a> x1 remembers experience x2 (nu); x1 lifri x2 is implied
<latro'a> remembering experiences is really more rather than less 
fundamental than remembering facts

However, let me explain myself.
First example implies {ba'anai}. The second one implies {ka'u}.

Consider one more example.
2. I remember kissing her.
3. I remember that many boys kiss girls.

The third example has nothing to do with experiential memory. It's just 
something that we read from books, know our parents, friends etc. It's 
something like cultural experience so {ti'e} and {ka'u} would fit here.

The next problem is that {ba'a} seems to mi several things.
ba'a - I expect
ba'acu'i - I experience
ba'anai - I remember

If we try to map this to gismu we will get

ba'a - sei mi kanpe
ba'acu'i - sei mi lifri
ba'anai - sei mi morji

{lifri} is really odd in this set of three.
However, experiential memory would fit together with {lifri} to forma new 
scale. It'd be tempting to add future memory to this new set meaning
"I have a presentiment/foreboding that ..."

The page http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Evidentials has very 
strange definitions of {ba'a}-set. I wish someone could make them more 
understandable by e.g. explaining them through bridi in deep gismu 
structure format.




> > 2. "i remember that Lincoln was once a president of the US". 
>
> .i mi morji lodu'u la .linken. puzu co'i merko jatna 
>
>
> Which concept are you missing? 
> I don't get at all, what you're talking about. 
> At least, you could try to construct lojban examples of usage 
> for your proposal.. 
>
>
> v4hn 
>
>

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<br><br>On Monday, January 7, 2013 1:44:19 PM UTC+4, v4hn wrote:<blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Sun, Jan 06, 2013 at 11:55:01PM -0800,=
 la gleki wrote:
<br>&gt; 1. "i remember kissing her"
<br>
<br>.i mi morji lodu'u pu ca'o cinba ko'a
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, I wasn't that clear.&nbsp;</div><=
div><div>&lt;latro'a&gt;&nbsp;it's a deficit I've noticed recently: fact me=
mory and experiential memory really have almost nothing to do with one anot=
her</div></div><div>&lt;latro'a&gt; x1 remembers experience x2 (nu); x1 lif=
ri x2 is implied</div><div>&lt;latro'a&gt;&nbsp;remembering experiences is =
really more rather than less fundamental than remembering facts<br></div><d=
iv><br></div><div>However, let me explain myself.</div><div>First example i=
mplies {ba'anai}. The second one implies {ka'u}.</div><div><br></div><div>C=
onsider one more example.</div><div>2. I remember kissing her.<br></div><di=
v>3. I remember that many boys kiss girls.</div><div><br></div><div>The thi=
rd example has nothing to do with experiential memory. It's just something =
that we read from books, know our parents, friends etc. It's something like=
 cultural experience so {ti'e} and {ka'u} would fit here.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>The next problem is that {ba'a} seems to mi several things.</div><d=
iv>ba'a - I expect</div><div>ba'acu'i - I experience</div><div>ba'anai - I =
remember</div><div><br></div><div>If we try to map this to gismu we will ge=
t</div><div><br></div><div>ba'a - sei mi kanpe</div><div>ba'acu'i - sei mi =
lifri</div><div>ba'anai - sei mi morji</div><div><br></div><div>{lifri} is =
really odd in this set of three.</div><div>However, experiential memory wou=
ld fit together with {lifri} to forma new scale. It'd be tempting to add fu=
ture memory to this new set meaning</div><div>"I have a presentiment/forebo=
ding that ..."</div><div><br></div><div>The page http://www.lojban.org/tiki=
/BPFK+Section%3A+Evidentials has very strange definitions of {ba'a}-set. I =
wish someone could make them more understandable by e.g. explaining them th=
rough bridi in deep gismu structure format.<br></div><div><br></div><div><b=
r></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0=
;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>&gt; 2. "i remember that Lincoln was once a president of the US".
<br>
<br>.i mi morji lodu'u la .linken. puzu co'i merko jatna
<br>
<br>
<br>Which concept are you missing?
<br>I don't get at all, what you're talking about.
<br>At least, you could try to construct lojban examples of usage
<br>for your proposal..
<br>
<br>
<br>v4hn
<br><br></blockquote>

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