On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Ross Ogilvie <ross@rossogilvie.id.au> wrote:

I have to do a banal, online training program.

mi bilga tirna
lo = ze'u ctuca snavei
.i u'inai tolzdi

My a= ttempt at an English translation isn't nearly as good as the original. = Very nice, .ros.

I'm forced to listen
to recorded long lecture.
I am not amuse= d.
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I considered using ze'= ;e for hyperbolic effect.

v4hn I found yours as funny and snappy as the english. Nice.

mu'o mi'e ros

On 7 = January 2013 06:11, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote= :

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 = at 11:09 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote= :

As far as my haiku i= s concerned, the "old" interpretation and the "IRC"=20 interpretation are near enough in meaning that I don't really feel it= =20 needs changing, however:
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...They're n= ot at all close in meaning, in fact they're closer to being opposites t= han to being the same. The old {broda co'a lo nu brode} has broda happe= ning when brode begins; the new one has broda beginning when brode is happe= ning. A trivial example of the difference is if {lo nu brode} lasts forever= in a universe where "forever" extends infinitely in both directi= ons, then the new version is just {co'a broda} (every event is simultan= eous with an event that lasts forever), while the old version is nonsensica= l.

Yes, but we're not talking= about hypothetical examples, we're talking specifically about the haik= u, as shown by the statement "As far as my haiku is concerned...."= ;.

In this particular instance, it's "Flowers blo= om when Spring begins", versus "Flowers begin to bloom during Spr= ing". The two meanings are close enough in this case it really doesn&#= 39;t matter.

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So how does the IRC interpretation deal with {ZAhO lo bro= da ku ... [cu] ZAhO brode}?

In what sense? What semantics does it=20 assign it, or how does it achieve the old semantics of that statement?=20 (I assume you dropped a {nu}).

Ho= w about both, although I was asking about the former.
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mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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Here's a possible fix, though it's already quite different from the= original, plus I really don't like the -cfa-:

lo nunvesycfa
cu jai co'a rulba'o
ja'e lo nunmle

I wouldn't call that = a fix. If anything, it's worse than the original, IMO.
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mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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