Received: from mail-bk0-f64.google.com ([209.85.214.64]:45584) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TsFC8-0000RY-Ji; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:05:08 -0800 Received: by mail-bk0-f64.google.com with SMTP id jk13sf9230904bkc.9 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:04:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf:date:from :to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=9bdng953U7yGA5u2ToWSBEilMbNUNOsQXJulDuj1TU0=; b=CNXUEJBFQBlFvvEm6kWzvqJJfL9QHSWiNjRwIldMqrLmpiGs8yknsRZQfz32ZW+aiG 1AtTDQyaKbKpvppey8nq3tRd5Ryo0lN2Pt7bPaTve0/xNs5+ixSmdcV2m6h9ohNhueyz 8qFiCh7zV2tTBF6P5IdN/LBNNPSiR9VB51Axp0g8EyWN8yKXnK+8YzKtNMV2p4/T4Hjs +z52fIHcdoZIxKwqum2sbEy6rPLBOI+TeqrFxu5FyhtsjdrssvtH1cY50dAgr8/SvgMy GW4jnm4+nl23W6krufhP+HKmZTSRt2IGKG+Q7lY2Z6WimdPYiw3JpCM90NqYiF/LbBi3 P1ug== X-Received: by 10.180.24.162 with SMTP id v2mr1472589wif.0.1357574692690; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:04:52 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.92.163 with SMTP id cn3ls1022447wib.13.canary; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:04:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.180.2 with SMTP id i2mr75472172eem.1.1357574691221; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:04:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.180.2 with SMTP id i2mr75472170eem.1.1357574691207; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:04:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from dd17822.kasserver.com (dd17822.kasserver.com. [85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g9si7864583eeo.1.2013.01.07.08.04.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:04:51 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4dba86d8.pool.mediaWays.net [77.186.134.216]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8A96B860A75 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 17:04:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 17:04:50 +0100 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Quantifier exactness Message-ID: <20130107160450.GC17408@samsa.fritz.box> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wULyF7TL5taEdwHz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --wULyF7TL5taEdwHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 10:01:50AM -0500, .arpis. wrote: > > >>> > {mi zmadu do lo ni ce'u nelci pa lo re prenu} > > The sentence says to me "I, more than you, like one of the two people." > Unless you can give me an intuition for a translation that preserves exact > quantifier semantics (and just adding "exactly" to the previous statement > doesn't do it), I'm going to be uneasy about them. To me this example sounds like these childish debates on who like someone more. "I like him more than you do." or in this case: "I like one of them more than you like one of them." What's wrong with this translation? v4hn --wULyF7TL5taEdwHz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlDq8iIACgkQMBKLZs4+wjyG0ACgtLzx4IaEyh+pNBpHPkf2+gvd dUAAoKwlk/y62TH+VVFgR+eUK1GsjbOC =MGW5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wULyF7TL5taEdwHz--