Received: from mail-pb0-f64.google.com ([209.85.160.64]:43322) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TsFdy-0000ev-HD; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:34:00 -0800 Received: by mail-pb0-f64.google.com with SMTP id mc8sf11851912pbc.19 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:33:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=wfqh39dwMSzZ2cJw1XgDOMnSrRwCOu4wZe5fG8mRJDQ=; b=WOzffT9FMwrfHPGGHGZJTFeJlAvQhCUlTsjCGISbsfLn+R8myu4hWbESqVPbcRR4kb n3ChWzXkTgVm2TyYRy6gSyMpMOOwe+8osyHJ2SoMLSG0Kl1B1V1RTTVrbnC7J06Wsres yI8JG4CVakqoMPSCqmApmZHKlIiRKaXZlLbaPBfu3onwqL3BTDecx0X3EEjhHPEauy12 W9qPi2KlyFjhJPznwXQdGDZp+0qUr46I4Vp0VDLfr/2w9IS1GKRzODhoGs+5eiYM2cuS YmPUTw1LpBGOzXw3toxLw7T4oIq0xNuCBFMt9QYFtx6IDnumB4RP/uyxlb38neI8gRJK KdXA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=wfqh39dwMSzZ2cJw1XgDOMnSrRwCOu4wZe5fG8mRJDQ=; b=cSQI/l21m5mLGNm+DCX5I6KiOP6ze8MKf/RBllpAFywVQeXNBdLmA7L+nG/mQSma3N FJZ/1UfltZbbGQPXV5LBrl+N3Ryf/b0r1EEhi6lmVHOKjdcoa3hui45LOIjUJrGrsa+J onV9Xcv2asrlz8YZ15OyvzjHqvRH1WldcdA/tyn6hSCikqof8u5KrMlRw0E68u8Y4ngd mk9iSNSIsFbrS74F6AMz9rayU3ij5SKAOhAb1YZtDGyBWqZuZ9Dy2L+V1QAIa0ZGtxOk G1d2UwDoTs1r1eNKW0hQ+0MXJO8j05Qqc3qyhUzqvWtLx0nz+QjXc5Y/rrqno4WkgOog MKAQ== X-Received: by 10.49.96.196 with SMTP id du4mr10597795qeb.37.1357576419969; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:33:39 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.35.38 with SMTP id e6ls9617165qej.49.gmail; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:33:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.169.202 with SMTP id ag10mr28334836vec.39.1357576418683; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:33:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.169.202 with SMTP id ag10mr28334834vec.39.1357576418666; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u2si9583415vdi.2.2013.01.07.08.33.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.182; Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id fy27so19627784vcb.41 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:33:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.151.142 with SMTP id c14mr82666912vcw.16.1357576418460; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.13.197 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 08:33:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20130107094419.GB17408@samsa.fritz.box> References: <20130107094419.GB17408@samsa.fritz.box> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 11:33:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] request for a new gismu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episodic_memory From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043be06a2d832e04d2b5640b X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d043be06a2d832e04d2b5640b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The first one is "I remember that I kissed her"; you're remembering it as a fact, not necessarily something that you can go back and re-experience. You could have been blacked out and told after the fact and still remember the fact without remembering the experience. This is part of why I think this distinction is important. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:44 AM, v4hn wrote: > On Sun, Jan 06, 2013 at 11:55:01PM -0800, la gleki wrote: > > 1. "i remember kissing her" > > .i mi morji lodu'u pu ca'o cinba ko'a > > > 2. "i remember that Lincoln was once a president of the US". > > .i mi morji lodu'u la .linken. puzu co'i merko jatna > > > Which concept are you missing? > I don't get at all, what you're talking about. > At least, you could try to construct lojban examples of usage > for your proposal.. > > > v4hn > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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