Received: from mail-pb0-f60.google.com ([209.85.160.60]:51043) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TsFyM-0000nv-GY; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:54:55 -0800 Received: by mail-pb0-f60.google.com with SMTP id wy7sf11528002pbc.25 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:54:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=N/q1ge5NoAwONK7teZV1KHHb9Y/T2x/ASr51qRgRDwA=; b=NYafdDxdmxS8kWWqXI2IpT4XAekHTSPUjm78BC0iO0bgXMxrTCTMNohjbQ8hmupU1Y PeybPQOg6TwhIHO0eW6hapAwH5VcXAXO4e17YQ9RhV9OQVnIg4WdFKU+vJ9xhBe9cWx2 +TWvqb3O4PHbdnnujCfKmXDxdTvaVa1yqYhzCro6F1S+5ohOQzR9f04WIfek1NeIeKap pR61cd+U/szXLJo25qtFU4hCskcuFFjYuLW7TpxnuOrm/C0K2/jW/jqLrgw2I3xBrvb7 /izgDGmTB4UIYXhOEe1MDRSdwMgf87PC0oYasn3aqWMtzFJnK23KDL2jgTUwqFFzDuEG QkRQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=N/q1ge5NoAwONK7teZV1KHHb9Y/T2x/ASr51qRgRDwA=; b=XEasSb0TRddUGQQ4iWycob2TwkbJR4VOlcTg+UaeLOJF1WeOr+G/hYg8uP6xR5OdEU SINWPJmIpnCB4Ysu+aQMHmb2bmdW9Rh/F2th17U7ajUgRx56J4MZAvGuTyysp5KRaKmh slOrktPsCmIxjHz8Ym8ooCW2ZzSIfbLQDlDegNVzxXdmcfQCqDQ0ElPDBGuxxhRPdpYw WAotlxZYjtVWot/9hWxGHbALRV2Dl2weCmf9/ZfwD94fTKMhgOjCIf0o6WQN5TlOjJbH lzLeSYgODZGKCicuIEz/fRlgDJQ50wAz4e0G9u9lo5NP05GeiF/dCZ0aQAldvY0AQ43S frpw== X-Received: by 10.50.42.194 with SMTP id q2mr2217481igl.11.1357577684486; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:54:44 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.140.40 with SMTP id rd8ls1898521igb.2.canary; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:54:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.42.18.9 with SMTP id v9mr34389498ica.32.1357577683746; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:54:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.42.18.9 with SMTP id v9mr34389497ica.32.1357577683736; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ie0-f179.google.com (mail-ie0-f179.google.com [209.85.223.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s15si543598igi.1.2013.01.07.08.54.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.223.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.223.179; Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id k14so24156608iea.10 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:54:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.190.162 with SMTP id gr2mr6165134igc.65.1357577683597; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.142.134 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 08:54:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 13:54:43 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Quantifier exactness From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Gon=E7alves_Assis?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: felipeg.assis@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.223.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felipeg.assis@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On 7 January 2013 12:01, .arpis. wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis > wrote: >> >> What is lacking here is the argument /for/ quantifier inexactness, >> which goes against CLL. > > > Much as I like quantifier exactness as a useful idiosyncrasy in lojban (a= nd > view adhering to the CLL) as a good default, I find the example given as = an > argument /against/ quantifier exactness (though not an entirely convincin= g > one by itself), at least if I take latros's analysis at face value. > I don't see how the example is an argument. It is just that, an example. > The sentence says to me "I, more than you, like one of the two people." > Unless you can give me an intuition for a translation that preserves exac= t > quantifier semantics (and just adding "exactly" to the previous statement > doesn't do it), I'm going to be uneasy about them. > "I, more than you, like one of the two people." {da poi me lo re prenu zo'u mi zmadu do lo ni ce'u nelci da} or {mi zmadu do lo ni ce'u nelci lo [su'o/pa] me lo re prenu} The odd thing with the original example is the quantification within the ni-clause. mu'o mi'e .asiz. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.