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I meant a translation of the original statement into English. .u'u that I
wasn't clear.


On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <
felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 7 January 2013 12:01, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis
> > <felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> What is lacking here is the argument /for/ quantifier inexactness,
> >> which goes against CLL.
> >
> >
> > Much as I like quantifier exactness as a useful idiosyncrasy in lojban
> (and
> > view adhering to the CLL) as a good default, I find the example given a=
s
> an
> > argument /against/ quantifier exactness (though not an entirely
> convincing
> > one by itself), at least if I take latros's analysis at face value.
> >
>
> I don't see how the example is an argument. It is just that, an example.
>
> > The sentence says to me "I, more than you, like one of the two people."
> > Unless you can give me an intuition for a translation that preserves
> exact
> > quantifier semantics (and just adding "exactly" to the previous stateme=
nt
> > doesn't do it), I'm going to be uneasy about them.
> >
>
> "I, more than you, like one of the two people."
> {da poi me lo re prenu zo'u mi zmadu do lo ni ce'u nelci da} or
> {mi zmadu do lo ni ce'u nelci lo [su'o/pa] me lo re prenu}
>
> The odd thing with the original example is the quantification within
> the ni-clause.
>
> mu'o
> mi'e .asiz.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I meant a translation of the original statement into Engli=
sh. .u&#39;u that I wasn&#39;t clear.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Felipe G=
on=E7alves Assis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:felipeg.assis@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank">felipeg.assis@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On 7 January 2013 12:01, .=
arpis. &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rpglover64%2Bjbobau@gmail.com">rpglover64+jbob=
au@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>


&gt;<br>
&gt; On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:felipeg.assis@gmail.com">felipeg.assis@gmail.com=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; What is lacking here is the argument /for/ quantifier inexactness,=
<br>
&gt;&gt; which goes against CLL.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Much as I like quantifier exactness as a useful idiosyncrasy in lojban=
 (and<br>
&gt; view adhering to the CLL) as a good default, I find the example given =
as an<br>
&gt; argument /against/ quantifier exactness (though not an entirely convin=
cing<br>
&gt; one by itself), at least if I take latros&#39;s analysis at face value=
.<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div>I don&#39;t see how the example is an argument. It is just that, an e=
xample.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; The sentence says to me &quot;I, more than you, like one of the two pe=
ople.&quot;<br>
&gt; Unless you can give me an intuition for a translation that preserves e=
xact<br>
&gt; quantifier semantics (and just adding &quot;exactly&quot; to the previ=
ous statement<br>
&gt; doesn&#39;t do it), I&#39;m going to be uneasy about them.<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
&quot;I, more than you, like one of the two people.&quot;<br>
</div>{da poi me lo re prenu zo&#39;u mi zmadu do lo ni ce&#39;u nelci da} =
or<br>
{mi zmadu do lo ni ce&#39;u nelci lo [su&#39;o/pa] me lo re prenu}<br>
<br>
The odd thing with the original example is the quantification within<br>
the ni-clause.<br>
<div class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
mu&#39;o<br>
mi&#39;e .asiz.<br>
<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi=
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