Received: from mail-ee0-f63.google.com ([74.125.83.63]:60883) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TsJOd-0001vu-Mj; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 12:34:32 -0800 Received: by mail-ee0-f63.google.com with SMTP id l10sf8212767eei.8 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 12:34:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=KxNLoy6KtYFT0luQ/VKksFbTN28DuYP6tnESUNzvvv4=; b=yoXk6ol5kwbaE77IpyONbzp/+7K7/l3v/LphlOjlp/cgWXlH7pkNVkiGyr38wh3+9+ iJu8EdovP94Y73Vn4lhycglk6o9iaWj3J34sFKvBdTYbmmQhqMHGvpCfS434298CGxkx ua5vLj/xrO3WJ6F9j8XVIQQiYVCKMZkkzyNpamIIk8+Zi9lV6DobOqQ85h39GEUgPqnf ZZvJE7NclRnloBaAlZZSOBr+MHmkylhoBb/rb3A/mATkW02nXIXqQz2ER98IQa0CevKf tFx1RmIIA6INk92MbfT0aGACHShgGhUAiCR9EjvOX2nCxS82QDDAEwCzmuAUkf4JZ+/o 4zKg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=KxNLoy6KtYFT0luQ/VKksFbTN28DuYP6tnESUNzvvv4=; b=IHVEoUL3/3HyJLteOKvCQ1lbe5ogkmduNAZwuddUu48iZ79KS5aSM+CgpxWJFeMBbN wPDRa0Tlqbjcj8DtE2nP7tAU/X7S8U56o11DTVWX/Xp6n9s2IbtCrO4MZdGBXKmLFOp8 ZeEHR/8Fqs1HC75l6FUxlAD764+yQuFoHFQhyoGXpyVg114jHYQU5gSS7dgEJQ2huaZh 4MCI7eg8yPldXXlV3AfRvesVsTuC1b6AyWYswdTpjSzQrPY+UFddMLJ6tsmdG0/eVyim 8m3StKzEA5s9uZ1RNj9ptAt08eD1hGvjx7M41E+sIv4WR0UZt6NPOkzHWIr4+IlMskB6 5+LQ== X-Received: by 10.180.99.231 with SMTP id et7mr1559112wib.8.1357590843255; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 12:34:03 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.103.70 with SMTP id fu6ls1155442wib.30.canary; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 12:34:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.0.196 with SMTP id 44mr76492115eeb.6.1357590842278; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 12:34:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.0.196 with SMTP id 44mr76492114eeb.6.1357590842259; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 12:34:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ea0-f181.google.com (mail-ea0-f181.google.com [209.85.215.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z44si22495223een.0.2013.01.07.12.34.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Jan 2013 12:34:02 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.181; Received: by mail-ea0-f181.google.com with SMTP id k14so7812959eaa.12 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 12:34:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.223.200 with SMTP id v48mr168250509eep.24.1357590842139; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 12:34:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.45.67 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 12:34:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20130107094419.GB17408@samsa.fritz.box> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 21:34:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] request for a new gismu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episodic_memory From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebastian_Fr=F6jd?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: so.cool.ogi@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=so.cool.ogi@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b622820e5658904d2b8bf11 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b622820e5658904d2b8bf11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Why not just construct lujvos from broda morji and define the new lujvos to get this exact distinction? 2013/1/7 Ian Johnson > The first one is "I remember that I kissed her"; you're remembering it as > a fact, not necessarily something that you can go back and re-experience. > You could have been blacked out and told after the fact and still remember > the fact without remembering the experience. This is part of why I think > this distinction is important. > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:44 AM, v4hn wrote: > >> On Sun, Jan 06, 2013 at 11:55:01PM -0800, la gleki wrote: >> > 1. "i remember kissing her" >> >> .i mi morji lodu'u pu ca'o cinba ko'a >> >> > 2. "i remember that Lincoln was once a president of the US". >> >> .i mi morji lodu'u la .linken. puzu co'i merko jatna >> >> >> Which concept are you missing? >> I don't get at all, what you're talking about. >> At least, you could try to construct lojban examples of usage >> for your proposal.. >> >> >> v4hn >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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2013/1/7 Ian= Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
The first one is "I remember that I kis= sed her"; you're remembering it as a fact, not necessarily somethi= ng that you can go back and re-experience. You could have been blacked out = and told after the fact and still remember the fact without remembering the= experience. This is part of why I think this distinction is important.

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