Received: from mail-da0-f63.google.com ([209.85.210.63]:46888) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TsK2h-0002BF-NH; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:15:51 -0800 Received: by mail-da0-f63.google.com with SMTP id n34sf11599694dal.8 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:15:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/z1yd7928IpGXk7Z7Sns4ycYOSitjTYu8JjkuTFZiow=; b=I+y1f7fS2e+TcBmkhkwMOTGdJkxpzhHWhAPHBrE2MH3CyelPj2qtqEt+kOqe7Rld/A dw4sbCuOEkhPKrvQM2bsg3Uc5Gev09OTzENJIZyKGmG9riGosSR2AjF05Pi1s/+eDm5s j0OKgyiwD0Yv9CuAyh9zFbwmjZWsydwwigC4Lbs+gQb0Y7BtCK8GHHOmJRfl/QGL0i8Y Lggvp0ny3K4sHKOPovyDH1ccyz34WrPoICly68BKMzaP8tr/bcA6aKQhwegj+iBsuXb5 ov4RCttXQ6lSElYrbk2KHksgbYjJN46BUGuPwO20eML55YYT+8ywKE8H9KwZnRMPh8fL DNxA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/z1yd7928IpGXk7Z7Sns4ycYOSitjTYu8JjkuTFZiow=; b=qnBNolkkYK8unUL0arMgji4seDhogygC7O1gSJu7xqDx9qxw7xigoHHIr6hGyX5JXp +kXmS/B9bkpjT17T6cCBl4lEFL7SSWWAjOu2Xm4Q2CAYBeEnuQCH2qsWWWbCQIH2E2ZQ Ux0BusrsGYkX4IAW7FCHgkYm0GmLVqaInmB8aivd5JW/VmVzDUoKs86mWY5uP5LRoiLG CvpI+c5WYucQAaRN0iN1V8pkHpH7vRpO4b/TIstOmMFLYZETBS3PzEqhhjea7O5nDnwl l103DDB4pBW8ng41cRG8JqT/km5DPRNbpAUrgfIv5ova461JwpPQGZRL57CauYmiiZ9w BEGQ== X-Received: by 10.50.158.227 with SMTP id wx3mr2679526igb.2.1357593329226; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:15:29 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.191.231 with SMTP id hb7ls2161699igc.9.gmail; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:15:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.42.41.9 with SMTP id n9mr47803934ice.29.1357593328625; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:15:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.42.41.9 with SMTP id n9mr47803932ice.29.1357593328601; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:15:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-f44.google.com (mail-oa0-f44.google.com [209.85.219.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ge7si605095igb.0.2013.01.07.13.15.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:15:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.44; Received: by mail-oa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id n5so18643106oag.31 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:15:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.49.104 with SMTP id t8mr44329786obn.0.1357593328438; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:15:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.149.41 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 13:15:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20130107094419.GB17408@samsa.fritz.box> From: Jacob Errington Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 16:15:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] request for a new gismu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episodic_memory To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / The problem is that basing these lujvo on {morji} is compositionally wrong on a semantic level. The semanics of lujvo should be compositional as much as is possible. However, if we were to redefine morji, which is likely never going to happen, into something like "x1 has memory of / remembers x2 (su'u)" then you can probably derive both current-morji and mojrli'i from that. The fact that the redefinition isn't going to happen is what motivates the creation of a new gismu. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o On 7 January 2013 15:34, Sebastian Fr=F6jd wrote: > Why not just construct lujvos from broda morji and define the new lujvos = to > get this exact distinction? > > > 2013/1/7 Ian Johnson >> >> The first one is "I remember that I kissed her"; you're remembering it a= s >> a fact, not necessarily something that you can go back and re-experience= . >> You could have been blacked out and told after the fact and still rememb= er >> the fact without remembering the experience. This is part of why I think >> this distinction is important. >> >> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:44 AM, v4hn wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 06, 2013 at 11:55:01PM -0800, la gleki wrote: >>> > 1. "i remember kissing her" >>> >>> .i mi morji lodu'u pu ca'o cinba ko'a >>> >>> > 2. "i remember that Lincoln was once a president of the US". >>> >>> .i mi morji lodu'u la .linken. puzu co'i merko jatna >>> >>> >>> Which concept are you missing? >>> I don't get at all, what you're talking about. >>> At least, you could try to construct lojban examples of usage >>> for your proposal.. >>> >>> >>> v4hn >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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