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As defined, sisku means "x1 looks among the members of set x3 for something
which has property x2". To clarify, it does not mean that you're looking
for a particular object, which is why a property is used; I can be looking
for "something green" without caring which green thing I ultimately find.

This definition is rather cumbersome, and especially rather frustrating in
situations like the one you describe where you're looking for a concrete
object, which is of course the most common situation.

That said, {facki} and {troci co facki} can work using {fi}, because when
you find your keys you {facki lo du'u lo ckiku cu zvati ma kau kei lo
ckiku}. Of course, {troci co facki fi lo ckiku} is rather frustratingly
vague, while {troci co facki lo ckiku cu zvati ma kau} is frustratingly
verbose.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Going through the gismu on memrise (awesome service by the way), and I got
> to "sisku".
>
> Apparently I've been using this really core word completely wrong.  I've
> been using it like "mi sisku lo mi ckiku", when evidently x2 is a property
> and x3 is a set.... of somethings?
>
> I'm kind of confused by this definition.  So, if there is a set of
> properties, and there is one property in that set which x1 seeks among that
> set x3.
>
> I'm just a little confused about how this is meant to be used.
>
> Meanwhile, what do I say when I'm looking for my car keys?  "mi troci co
> facki lo ckiku"?
>
> Except, double checking to make sure that I've got that right, even that
> seems wrong since to "facki" is to discover a fact about a subject/object.
>  I guess an object's location is a fact about it.... but still.... I just
> want to find my damn car keys, how do I say that?!
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As defined, sisku means &quot;x1 looks among the members of set x3 for some=
thing which has property x2&quot;. To clarify, it does not mean that you&#3=
9;re looking for a particular object, which is why a property is used; I ca=
n be looking for &quot;something green&quot; without caring which green thi=
ng I ultimately find.<div>
<br></div><div>This definition is rather cumbersome, and especially rather =
frustrating in situations like the one you describe where you&#39;re lookin=
g for a concrete object, which is of course the most common situation.<div>
<br></div><div>That said, {facki} and {troci co facki} can work using {fi},=
 because when you find your keys you {facki lo du&#39;u lo ckiku cu zvati m=
a kau kei lo ckiku}. Of course, {troci co facki fi lo ckiku} is rather frus=
tratingly vague, while {troci co facki lo ckiku cu zvati ma kau} is frustra=
tingly verbose.</div>
<div><br></div><div>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Luke Bergen <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lukeabergen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lukeabergen@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Going through the gismu on memrise (awesome =
service by the way), and I got to &quot;sisku&quot;.<div><br></div><div>App=
arently I&#39;ve been using this really core word completely wrong. =A0I&#3=
9;ve been using it like &quot;mi sisku lo mi ckiku&quot;, when evidently x2=
 is a property and x3 is a set.... of somethings?</div>


<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m kind of confused by this definition. =A0So, if =
there is a set of properties, and there is one property in that set which x=
1 seeks among that set x3.</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m just a little c=
onfused about how this is meant to be used.</div>


<div><br></div><div>Meanwhile, what do I say when I&#39;m looking for my ca=
r keys? =A0&quot;mi troci co facki lo ckiku&quot;?</div><div><br></div><div=
>Except, double checking to make sure that I&#39;ve got that right, even th=
at seems wrong since to &quot;facki&quot; is to discover a fact about a sub=
ject/object. =A0I guess an object&#39;s location is a fact about it.... but=
 still.... I just want to find my damn car keys, how do I say that?!</div>
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