Received: from mail-ea0-f184.google.com ([209.85.215.184]:47066) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tseir-0005os-My; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:20:48 -0800 Received: by mail-ea0-f184.google.com with SMTP id 1sf373752eaa.1 for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:20:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-y-gmx-trusted :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=lDzQLMQ2RtONucrkKV35SIRCcWNzfrlrLTr7hQ4noMU=; b=keb3n/4v7+Sdt6lQPHFYYK8JyQ19vdBGEa5+MrYaoKo4fj7JMvS0yjB5vWPRj1261x ZG83pCC/ox6+4p62HpDVlIWV00ydVjXqTR1Z7mR1ro94JhUfNUYRqHYR8WRwCAQAgwE9 9v9SeK7Dd/cPTnur9CfszfOuYNaaOSJdWgi/ysTYGuopcOP36msF8KPGkVV14w/nvUip V+p8ECFw60BZQ4JrW6hNiScaMF6vTuP9cxJJEcB0SwkbuEiRTugE4U3w/0C9ciKLQa/T VFFbqN6D/J+PJ4FYPriv9nZK7cDtlzszSGJSyVO/wsLC+8beEXJcuDswiq3wArflYlrl M8Aw== X-Received: by 10.152.110.104 with SMTP id hz8mr186455lab.1.1357672821575; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:20:21 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.125.174 with SMTP id mr14ls35506lab.65.gmail; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:20:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.179.198 with SMTP id h46mr81319873eem.4.1357672820672; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:20:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.179.198 with SMTP id h46mr81319871eem.4.1357672820659; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:20:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.20]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g9si10182599eeo.1.2013.01.08.11.20.20; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:20:20 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.20; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.35]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M52QK-1T3Zla1WxS-00zJdw for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 20:20:20 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Jan 2013 19:20:20 -0000 Received: from p54AF4111.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [84.175.65.17] by mail.gmx.net (mp035) with SMTP; 08 Jan 2013 20:20:20 +0100 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18l+1Ev444l51XjhlQRqXARSyxn986hYwhtNsPVOz Q/rAVSlmz4STkc Message-ID: <50EC7173.4070403@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 20:20:19 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] searching References: In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la'o me. Luke Bergen .me cusku di'e > Yeah, I wasn't looking for a "we should change lojban suck that..." sort > of thing. I assumed there was some solution. > > Just kind of sucks that it's very easy for me to say "I am looking for a > green thing in my dresser" (mi sisku lo (ka?) crino lo seldacru). But > for "I'm looking for my keys", I've either got to spend half the day > spelling it all out, or I guess selkik's tanru works tolerably well "mi > troci co zvafa'i lo mi ckiku" With sisku = "x1 looks for object x2 at location x3", you can still say you're looking for a green thing: mi sisku lo crino The property is not very convenient, so I always use sisku with the above definition. > I guess it just seems like an unfortunate definition for sisku given how > easy it is to /add/ an object-by-property aspect to the searching. i.e. > "mi sisku lo creka poi crino" or even "mi sisku lo crino creka". I would say the above sisku is the most basic predicate, and the old sisku can be retrieved with something like "kairsisku". mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.