Received: from mail-wg0-f56.google.com ([74.125.82.56]:44775) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TsemV-0005sd-5A; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:24:31 -0800 Received: by mail-wg0-f56.google.com with SMTP id 12sf412828wgh.11 for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:24:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-y-gmx-trusted :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=0NQRvB0f44QihslLmXxn69x59goaxtxJD0tK04uidQI=; b=kmHne0CFadMmbiwc9QDTTmB1K6qRmLHbqu2fXgdwEZkzUIgsW0Ia/ypVJssk/+sMcU IqTh9d/E0dFIBrcHW+cOxA4fvSIA+9gC9uUiVixUFPWxUPdJDeGB592R7ee6cPHU9kFT vc8MPC23KmaYyUNUoRN98r78SHkOk5XvoYMYHFwTR1qjZ8KYlTuee1+7M5CrSPYUCNUb Ydr/M8IDrBtkRGMlWV5Z4/VOeSZnhhkhXf5uEwuC0FYWY+1z2VcpdSwcyT03f1Qfdgno N/WIwBPa9ru+ULn8LzXpNBzF01njYCACCes8g7OEbVLuP5+fd+E4dA11HWHbo9S3z0Ik 4ZYg== X-Received: by 10.180.24.162 with SMTP id v2mr2583580wif.0.1357673047324; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:24:07 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.73.147 with SMTP id l19ls1798709wiv.24.canary; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:24:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.205.194 with SMTP id j42mr81444711eeo.2.1357673045980; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:24:05 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.205.194 with SMTP id j42mr81444710eeo.2.1357673045970; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.20]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g9si10187106eeo.1.2013.01.08.11.24.05; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 11:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.20; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.31]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MB0os-1TijA137TQ-009xco for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 20:24:05 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Jan 2013 19:24:05 -0000 Received: from p54AF4111.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [84.175.65.17] by mail.gmx.net (mp031) with SMTP; 08 Jan 2013 20:24:05 +0100 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+ooQUk+Gmo1Voe3593BlfBGNx/zN+3RKSPJcXELT gmblrMUyIL96rQ Message-ID: <50EC7255.7000808@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 20:24:05 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] searching References: <1357670696.88472.YahooMailNeo@web184401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1357670696.88472.YahooMailNeo@web184401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la. pycyn. cu cusku di'e > This points to the reason for the "odd" place structure. If I say {mi > sisku lo pavelseljirna}, it follows that I am claiming that there is a > unicorn I am looking for, and hence that there is a unicorn. Which is > not what is intended at all. With old lo this was the case, but isn't anymore with xorlo. "lo pavyseljirna" is Unicorn, but there is no existential import. You can search for "lo pavyseljirna" even if none exist. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.