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Always could; existence is a predicate, being there is the UD.=A0 So, {lo p=
avyseljirna cu broda} always implies {da pavyseljirna } but never (directly=
) {da poi pavyseljirna cu zasti}.



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 From: selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] searching
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la. pycyn. cu cusku di'e
> This points to the reason for the "odd" place structure.=A0 If I say {mi
> sisku lo pavelseljirna}, it follows that I am claiming that there is a
> unicorn I am looking for, and hence that there is a unicorn.=A0 Which is
> not what is intended at all.

With old lo this was the case, but isn't anymore with xorlo. "lo pavyseljir=
na" is Unicorn, but there is no existential import. You can search for "lo =
pavyseljirna" even if none exist.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Always could; existen=
ce is a predicate, being there is the UD.&nbsp; So, {lo pavyseljirna cu bro=
da} always implies {da pavyseljirna } but never (directly) {da poi pavyselj=
irna cu zasti}.<br><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new ro=
man, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: =
times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr=
"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font=
-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> selpa'i &lt;seladwa@gmx.de&gt;<br> <b><span=
 style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com <br> <=
b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 8, 2=
013 1:24 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> R=
e: [lojban] searching<br> </font> </div> <br>
la. pycyn. cu cusku di'e<br>&gt; This points to the reason for the "odd" pl=
ace structure.&nbsp; If I say {mi<br>&gt; sisku lo pavelseljirna}, it follo=
ws that I am claiming that there is a<br>&gt; unicorn I am looking for, and=
 hence that there is a unicorn.&nbsp; Which is<br>&gt; not what is intended=
 at all.<br><br>With old lo this was the case, but isn't anymore with xorlo=
. "lo pavyseljirna" is Unicorn, but there is no existential import. You can=
 search for "lo pavyseljirna" even if none exist.<br><br>mu'o mi'e la selpa=
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