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Subject: Re: [lojban] Quantifier exactness
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On 7 January 2013 14:55, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
> I meant a translation of the original statement into English. .u'u that I
> wasn't clear.
>

That is the point. I have never seen in any other linguistic
expression an object
like lo ni mi nelci PA da, as far as I can tell. This is why, in the
attempted translation,
the normally ambiguous scope of the natural language quantifier is
forced to long.
I have no intuition about lo ni mi nelci PA da, although I agree with
the axioms that
justify latro'a's reasoning.

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis
> <felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 7 January 2013 12:01, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis
>> > <felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What is lacking here is the argument /for/ quantifier inexactness,
>> >> which goes against CLL.
>> >
>> >
>> > Much as I like quantifier exactness as a useful idiosyncrasy in lojban
>> > (and
>> > view adhering to the CLL) as a good default, I find the example given =
as
>> > an
>> > argument /against/ quantifier exactness (though not an entirely
>> > convincing
>> > one by itself), at least if I take latros's analysis at face value.
>> >
>>
>> I don't see how the example is an argument. It is just that, an example.
>>
>> > The sentence says to me "I, more than you, like one of the two people.=
"
>> > Unless you can give me an intuition for a translation that preserves
>> > exact
>> > quantifier semantics (and just adding "exactly" to the previous
>> > statement
>> > doesn't do it), I'm going to be uneasy about them.
>> >
>>
>> "I, more than you, like one of the two people."
>> {da poi me lo re prenu zo'u mi zmadu do lo ni ce'u nelci da} or
>> {mi zmadu do lo ni ce'u nelci lo [su'o/pa] me lo re prenu}
>>
>> The odd thing with the original example is the quantification within
>> the ni-clause.
>>
>> mu'o
>> mi'e .asiz.
>>
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