Received: from mail-wi0-f187.google.com ([209.85.212.187]:48873) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tspo6-0004Ji-6l; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:10:51 -0800 Received: by mail-wi0-f187.google.com with SMTP id hm6sf209693wib.4 for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:10:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=gWLkkIrxT9tIFmSs6anLXzD8BG4J/YrXw5aNoYFTjSU=; b=pDihRG33LlvMPyA+wI/Cj9uMu0DLYEOmsyPTviMP3OtUpvaIsvNYCYc9TmYLmQH57f LfzD9VfTS3wm3ptscb0+bk4O4D6Wd06IHWmO9zXgkQoV/kSJoLl+htPLkrRHaSyDtiH8 kNXoUWfQPLxGU8tUDVlXUg3rWRFyit6q1o8CE6Qfnn+3zOOeXAJqYIhxfiKh7PXhy0/q nesnqh2Sdt6E1v5/v9r3nr+buo7eOkxElo+ebznhrU9Ig4es227+92Uh6IvPYIM4p4Bo h5YT1fDIgqXEcUV67SD2zPDOWGcQN6FchFtoNPt/SUmk3pnqy5g+rNg6KJlKgymFbuZQ /Hzg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=gWLkkIrxT9tIFmSs6anLXzD8BG4J/YrXw5aNoYFTjSU=; b=iVa+2jjdOXyeSY6umbHehf/xPV2bojSNNlPfzPvJwrJW/jrp7iMuBmnwPqbAsRPN+R I85aklyYzTsLl6hhUX33gXvyPIP8DKOrglOEstjGQkLtqLzj5qNrJeQZ1zzoe6CZ+CVg 13b9flBrkAcqKuKO+lTXj7dKn/gXv6FqXuBApEQMKG+f8uW4dGkkvu3paqWaT88uhqw5 sm7I6dg/oVDGeUXStaNTGEgs2UTsFMc8IWZBTmNW5HnT4/5hjNzodFXvVtgZSyfPySg2 i0cQWVLkVXVbYWuzvRz0aOMPjckEfiOuLA2Fzfxg8kYEzHaB8gYuO53WIF9bem//1vLd mesg== X-Received: by 10.180.7.227 with SMTP id m3mr103183wia.8.1357715430655; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:10:30 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.101.132 with SMTP id fg4ls628753wib.8.gmail; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:10:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.130.141 with SMTP id t13mr2719044bks.3.1357715429122; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:10:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.130.141 with SMTP id t13mr2719043bks.3.1357715429095; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-la0-f53.google.com (mail-la0-f53.google.com [209.85.215.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e21si4788184bkv.2.2013.01.08.23.10.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.53; Received: by mail-la0-f53.google.com with SMTP id fn20so1483406lab.26 for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:10:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.45.232 with SMTP id q8mr27836845lbm.23.1357715428879; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.24.42 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 23:10:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50ECB7C1.2020501@gmx.de> References: <50EC7334.8040607@gmx.de> <50ECB7C1.2020501@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:10:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] searching From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554dd9cd82dcf04d2d5c17b X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec554dd9cd82dcf04d2d5c17b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Because {lo crino} can very well mean "that blade of grass over there". It's not specific either way, and unlike with definiteness there isn't a way to add quantifiers or anything to make it so. mi'e la latro'a mu'o On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 7:20 PM, selpa'i wrote: > la latro'a cu cusku di'e > >> It's not that it doesn't, only that it needn't. Specifying explicitly >> >> that it doesn't isn't possible. >> > > Why not? > > > va'i xorlo doesn't really "fix" this per >> se, in that under the modified "x1 looks for x2 at x3" definition, you >> can't explicitly say "I'm looking for a green thing, I don't care which >> one", at least not without introducing another bridi. >> > > Why? What is the problem with "mi sisku lo crino"? This is exactly the > kind of thing xorlo fixes. > > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@** > googlegroups.com . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/lojban?hl=en . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec554dd9cd82dcf04d2d5c17b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Because {lo crino} can very well mean "that blade of grass over there". It's not specific either way, and unlike with definiteness there isn't a way to add quantifiers or anything to make it so.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 7:20 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
la latro'a cu cusku di'e
It's not that it doesn't, only that it needn't. Specifying explicitly

that it doesn't isn't possible.

Why not?


va'i xorlo doesn't really "fix" this per
se, in that under the modified "x1 looks for x2 at x3" definition, you
can't explicitly say "I'm looking for a green thing, I don't care which
one", at least not without introducing another bridi.

Why? What is the problem with "mi sisku lo crino"? This is exactly the kind of thing xorlo fixes.


mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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