Received: from mail-vb0-f64.google.com ([209.85.212.64]:34300) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tswx7-0007k1-Fj; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 06:48:38 -0800 Received: by mail-vb0-f64.google.com with SMTP id fq11sf1183947vbb.9 for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 06:48:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=mZsMQ8WNd5UZlSv7704+yTL9tAOW0gqHsSaCoeExpms=; b=LTwFgcBTYjTcOXH71chaqRYYwdpJVvSmxd+b0pj0Wmsm9rEao6qw7cqgDtKd+t4Uni K86adRwOvEPSOUi0Gj6upziUPV+6lEw25s503x8BS/s9TWaWSPZhkp0sX7U3b6h0t++B wVaW2PfHa3ExPuggL+DMv/o6GLuF13EYWmqTWkIrqmHNKF4sdKV7BuAgKdNVe/OJ0puS 0ZUMJfq+L42hRuWoY3ABM0NdvMZFtbI5UHGEI0/9pR3bUGgoy+bTxJyHEDlWdZG1xenr 6PccmChfYI3eqbVgU4dDs5B0/aPtDTYsleJT7Cw5qDIhD7BwgfJYdhs24Nq8vfRW69lC AlrQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=mZsMQ8WNd5UZlSv7704+yTL9tAOW0gqHsSaCoeExpms=; b=YXIJ6IripIwfPVQCCqQDBCJzF1INV1LrhdBDGRDW6yQbdfG64XxSpWQ1PLCeXlZdLt CJpGqVrfH8iIJDgm9glTXyMnmmZU0BTRszA8ncn/aLPljtUVJd7jjFVtiM0966xz7Z67 v7xV8nNcSIa8nj6ujU4+3/5Tyvpv1QC3XV75NBtiHPeBdIwkXh+W7ULGzMxzFgVtrIAl ix1pQrksanVRWZbZ7tvvBKmMwGibBneRPNNy2xZXfQ9sf5NyuGLEE1sjbCaooFi2zXK/ gDfjEpBFrAB/PoGngAGH0t7MH2H7gOlvcwjm1UlN/0UFjXMRaNmxk6L+WDqWVdKiCC3w WLZw== X-Received: by 10.50.7.198 with SMTP id l6mr518461iga.3.1357742898386; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 06:48:18 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.190.233 with SMTP id gt9ls1426148igc.36.gmail; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 06:48:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.195.194 with SMTP id ig2mr1561201igc.5.1357742897818; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 06:48:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.195.194 with SMTP id ig2mr1561200igc.5.1357742897744; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 06:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com (mail-ob0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x4si385892igm.0.2013.01.09.06.48.17 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 09 Jan 2013 06:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.171; Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id dn14so2252242obc.16 for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 06:48:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.47.66 with SMTP id b2mr47740635obn.34.1357742897615; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 06:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.164.36 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 06:48:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20130109142120.GF14601@samsa.fritz.box> References: <20130109142120.GF14601@samsa.fritz.box> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:48:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] request for a new gismu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episodic_memory From: Craig Daniel To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: craigbdaniel@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=craigbdaniel@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:21 AM, v4hn wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 09:09:17AM -0500, Craig Daniel wrote: >> Isn't this just the distinction between remembering a nu and >> remembering a du'u? Or am I missing something? > > More between {morji lo du'u} and {morji lo li'i} > as was pointed out already. > > However, at the moment {morji} is restricted to {du'u} > (see definition), so normally you shouldn't be allowed > to use {morji} with {nu}/{li'i}. > > The question remains, whether remembering (possibly non-experienced/ > learnt) facts is the same concept as recalling experiences. > If it is not, it might not make sense to use {morji} with something > else than {du'u} and there is the need for a new gismu. It would hardly be the only mildly polysemous gismu. "balji" means both the bulb of a plant, and anything bulbous-shaped; "basna" appears from its definition to refer both to intonations of speech and actions which call particular attention to something; "batci" refers both to the act of taking something into your mouth and to squeezing something between any two other things; "bilga" refers both to duties you have made a commitment to undertake and those forced on you by others; "bongu" refers to both bone and ivory, which are quite different from the calcium found in milk (which is also bongu); "boxna" is slightly bizarre in that it includes both radio waves and ordinary ocean waves but apparently not rogue waves (which are aperiodic); freezing rain is not solid when it falls from the sky, but it and all solid forms of precipitation are grouped together as "bratu" (though snow also gets its own gismu), and that's just the b gismu. None of these have definitions that encompass concepts which aren't closely related (though the designated "metaphor" uses often strain that particular claim), but "this covers two similar-but-distinguishable concepts" is not sufficient to require distinct gismu. But yes, the fact that the definition of "morji" requires a du'u in x2 is worth patching. - mi'e .kreig. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.