Received: from mail-oa0-f55.google.com ([209.85.219.55]:44225) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TszDV-0000m1-Su; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 09:13:44 -0800 Received: by mail-oa0-f55.google.com with SMTP id k14sf834817oag.0 for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 09:13:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=2cfg6J2S2zs7qNqKMeSYwVi4w8nJDv74J60Q6Tt6IoY=; b=CK0Jm+gSnLTANK6aGRWe3uYfv/i3d0zHhvUp4b6MiHMlJn/qKqbaghbT50Ex//FPKY x0iNqSgzX2zRIF2UZmQoLENyfEUPshAuseSrlNJVyNzYr9dPIRmntF6JYQMyPTTfcOk/ DgclXtCmiLw09MlEravrqN+Lu05SDtYL4jVccbSCEXEfX2wnqj/2pYJmCyIjmsVSs9OF nNXhC1JDxaNmisC8Q/pWs/ZF+z4HQYLk1u66uKA7W0qVpvQXlEB26dJ1S1MYEvAfWeqT 6c9+cVEMYW9jrqTsZm5FLYECmiWB86miX+Py6WOKyitPwoRqJ6PaaEDUoPSAAzCbKbWp mFxA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=2cfg6J2S2zs7qNqKMeSYwVi4w8nJDv74J60Q6Tt6IoY=; b=yzcvusUh6vRVJmEjt8g5cQ2btc8KiKbZtXGP0pxeZYMi1E4B2WoRjBIITEq417re91 C9E4z6x3legEHPaYtaye4KRxMx58u6j6Dv99Wad7iqGnmCGhQRdvxx6mv0zmnPDFu/Ks dxckfaC7+MMT982tOqRmgtkw4Fx+MAL4xdHlQn9t6FOR0pH/J9KrvOjpke3USxDED6EB msl3Zv95NpZiPcy9rR82U6S6pGstJ5X74iRMnGUpi8ox0CmYgQHjcDyAm6NRTneJV1of lOKpERgAzorAQRspzYcji4wgLJQ3vQJlnZHgI1u+pQ6A+Sm/PlaA/LOgwTC8vZZA0vyP RGZg== X-Received: by 10.50.45.170 with SMTP id o10mr832402igm.17.1357751602933; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 09:13:22 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.222.129 with SMTP id qm1ls1618258igc.28.gmail; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 09:13:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.34.164 with SMTP id a4mr1954710igj.7.1357751601664; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 09:13:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.34.164 with SMTP id a4mr1954708igj.7.1357751601652; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 09:13:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-f46.google.com (mail-oa0-f46.google.com [209.85.219.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d5si394475iga.1.2013.01.09.09.13.21 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 09 Jan 2013 09:13:21 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.46; Received: by mail-oa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id h16so1247427oag.19 for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 09:13:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.31.51 with SMTP id x19mr38230254oeh.25.1357751601389; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 09:13:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.186.98 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:13:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20130101153503.GG32434@samsa.fritz.box> References: <20130101153503.GG32434@samsa.fritz.box> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 12:13:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Secondary meaning of {cevni} From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1fd70e4e0c204d2de2de4 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8fb1fd70e4e0c204d2de2de4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM, v4hn wrote: > > > Language has to provide means for people to _express_ what things _might_ > be > and therefore provide a basis for people to express what _they think_ > things are. > > It's not, and nobody said it is, dependent on the language > whether the Goa'uld are gods or not! It depends on the perspective! > If you listen to the Goa'uld servants speaking english, they might still > utter "The Goa'uld are gods". If you listen to a member of SG-1, they > might utter "The Goa'uld are no gods". Neither one is said to be wrong > from a pure 'language perspective'. > > tu'e paunai xu la'i go,auld la'a na fatci cevni . iku'i gy te krici lo nu cevni ku lo selfu tu'u iseni'ibo ri pilno lu lo cevni li'u .ije lo drata pilno ba'e lu le cevni li'u to'i pu ju'o la xorlos toi ;-) --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --e89a8fb1fd70e4e0c204d2de2de4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at = 10:35 AM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:


Language has to provide means for people to _express_ what things _might_ b= e
and therefore provide a basis for people to express what _they think_ thing= s are.

It's not, and nobody said it is, dependent on the language
whether the Goa'uld are gods or not! It depends on the perspective!
If you listen to the Goa'uld servants speaking english, they might stil= l
utter "The Goa'uld are gods". If you listen to a member of SG= -1, they
might utter "The Goa'uld are no gods". Neither one is said to= be wrong
from a pure 'language perspective'.


=A0 =A0tu'e paunai xu la'i go,= auld la'a na fatci cevni . iku'i gy te krici lo nu cevni ku lo self= u tu'u iseni'ibo ri pilno lu lo cevni li'u .ije lo drata pilno = ba'e lu le cevni li'u to'i pu ju'o =A0la xorlos toi

;-)
=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0--gejyspa

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