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Look at the "any" discussion, as it's the same idea. {lo crino} can very
well have only one referent, even if there are many green things in the UD.
It *shouldn't *have only one referent, if the distinction matters to you as
the speaker; that's (part of?) what {le} is for. But it can anyway. This
means you can't say "I'm looking for a green thing" and be absolutely
certain that your listener knows you don't care which one (without a
separate bridi).

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:44 AM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 02:10:28AM -0500, Ian Johnson wrote:
> > Because {lo crino} can very well mean "that blade of grass over there".
>
> What's the problem here? If you're just looking for something green
> and your universe of discourse includes blades of grass, then this is
> perfectly valid.
>
> > It's not specific either way, and unlike with definiteness there isn't a
> > way to add quantifiers or anything to make it so.
>
> I don't get the rest.. If you are looking for a green shirt
> and your UD includes more things than shirts, you can always say
> {mi sisku lo crino creka}
>
>
> v4hn
>

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Look at the &quot;any&quot; discussion, as it&#39;s the same idea. {lo crin=
o} can very well have only one referent, even if there are many green thing=
s in the UD. It <i>shouldn&#39;t </i>have only one referent, if the distinc=
tion matters to you as the speaker; that&#39;s (part of?) what {le} is for.=
=A0But it can anyway. This means you can&#39;t say &quot;I&#39;m looking fo=
r a green thing&quot; and be absolutely certain that your listener knows yo=
u don&#39;t care which one (without a separate bridi).<div>

<br></div><div>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:44 AM, v4hn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:me@v4hn.de" target=3D"_blank">me@v4hn.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div>On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 02:10:28AM -0500, Ian Johnson wrote:<br>
&gt; Because {lo crino} can very well mean &quot;that blade of grass over t=
here&quot;.<br>
<br>
</div>What&#39;s the problem here? If you&#39;re just looking for something=
 green<br>
and your universe of discourse includes blades of grass, then this is<br>
perfectly valid.<br>
<div><br>
&gt; It&#39;s not specific either way, and unlike with definiteness there i=
sn&#39;t a<br>
&gt; way to add quantifiers or anything to make it so.<br>
<br>
</div>I don&#39;t get the rest.. If you are looking for a green shirt<br>
and your UD includes more things than shirts, you can always say<br>
{mi sisku lo crino creka}<br>
<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
v4hn<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>

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