As I said in response to the remark you quoted, indefinit= eness doesn't fix searching, because you need a scope around the quantifier= that you don't have without an abstractor. {mi sisku da poi crino} is "The= re exists a green thing for which I am searching", which means that "within= the searching" if you will there is a definite green thing.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Th= u, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:08 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com= > wrote:

Well, for indefiniteness you can (a= nd should) use variable rather than {lo, le} both of which involve saliency= (external and internal), which is precisely something definite, relatively= speaking.

From: Ian = Johnson <bli= ndbravado@gmail.com>
To: lojban= @googlegroups.com

Sent: Thursday, Janua= ry 10, 2013 9:09 AM
Subject:= Re: [lojban] searching

Look at the "any" discussion, as it's the same = idea. {lo crino} can very well have only one referent, even if there are ma= ny green things in the UD. It shouldn't have only one referent, if t= he distinction matters to you as the speaker; that's (part of?) what {le} i= s for. But it can anyway. This means you can't say "I'm looking for a = green thing" and be absolutely certain that your listener knows you don't c= are which one (without a separate bridi).

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:44= AM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 02:10:28AM -0500, Ian Johnson wrote:
> Because {lo crino} can very well mean "that blade of grass over there"= .

What's the problem here? If you're just looking for something green and your universe of discourse includes blades of grass, then this is
perfectly valid.

> It's not specific either way, and unlike with definiteness there isn't= a
> way to add quantifiers or anything to make it so.

I don't get the rest.. If you are looking for a green shirt
and your UD includes more things than shirts, you can always say
{mi sisku lo crino creka}

v4hn

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