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Yes, we still don't have an "any" in lojban.
We discussed that for the last 3 weeks.

Still, I don't see that {mi sisku lo crino} fails to mean the right thing
- given that we don't have an "any". If you think that is the problem, go
back to the last discussion and continue it -
It means something like "I'm looking for something that is green".

Talking about existence again. The {lo crino} introduces {da poi crino}
into the context. This, however, does in my opinion not need to be a
specific _physical_ item at this moment. The {da} is one object in the
universe of discourse, which _only_ has the primitive property {da crino} f=
or now.
This object in the UD does not have to map to a physical object(talking abo=
ut unicorns)
and might also have multiple physical objects it _can_ map to.
Looking for (any)something green, you _do_ have an object, in the sense
of an element in the universe of discourse, in mind. Namely,
an item, whos only relevant property is being green.
If someone points you to a blade of grass and you are not satified with it,
then you have additional constraints which you didn't mention up to then.
Still, you can go on and specify {go'i fe lo crino creka} or something like=
 that,
adding more specific properties to the object in the UD and therefore
restricting the possible physical objects it can refer to.

If you have a specific item in mind, on the other hand, surly you can
just say {mi sisku le crino} and there are no problems with that.

On the basis of this interpretation, it seems to work out well,
to say {mi sisku lo crino} if you mean to say that you are looking
for something green.

{ma pinka}


v4hn

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 10:09:04AM -0500, Ian Johnson wrote:
> Look at the "any" discussion, as it's the same idea. {lo crino} can very
> well have only one referent, even if there are many green things in the U=
D.
> It *shouldn't *have only one referent, if the distinction matters to you =
as
> the speaker; that's (part of?) what {le} is for. But it can anyway. This
> means you can't say "I'm looking for a green thing" and be absolutely
> certain that your listener knows you don't care which one (without a
> separate bridi).
>=20
> mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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