Received: from mail-gh0-f184.google.com ([209.85.160.184]:62562) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TuNq1-0005jo-4X; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:43:11 -0800 Received: by mail-gh0-f184.google.com with SMTP id f18sf927226ghb.11 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:42:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=bronPkmKgOQHVyDPMOYr6pbMZf6vn9Wd/PHKCP8AQ8g=; b=PRZh67CHvTQZUbfP06l9cKfqcK7ICxpOw0ox3qFtAO4Pe3g7KFI2lNcXzhorUmqN73 Qvcd8LRdcNKnQdiUMU1YFxz36791/v7A3+O+k/FDsoIS1PNPFc9OBzBpItrMZd6ICZ44 CCYNppHpmT5t7Fr3ARRCqs47yVYwztCoJEPkKLpdqoXh/MhTOIu6nvsCOXCIdFG8Kb9C zWW87pc+ut5KsMGp7pMbr/K4hO5PfOWm99yWArMLeT9mO/2+zR6FxQ2xi761dvHHunU4 Map1Byp8Cu+Qv37xWMtNBtB6c3ZyRf7x0OO+z4SL2H6/QPGUudA9Eb5CzCFiLHQEQapp ET6g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=bronPkmKgOQHVyDPMOYr6pbMZf6vn9Wd/PHKCP8AQ8g=; b=ZTqmV1Ws9joldTvtCXe7YAx2F6r/Xkzb2laX85eZHeyxMQd9MlmN/lgFEG+5GJC6Rn WnIZJtn6C/8D6As8CbMpcdeD6r6EwgdFVui+5Tb1FWHe25v98NPlTiCL9FmVHboTGpDN rHHhTBmIciqaYR+b5fjzBGFgXce+COP4qe3QSdC2Vuv9HdWRhw1maq+gMKoNurHf/ou5 xRotKF0WwR8ArpKdmBhjFID+vk107CbLwtOAZWtAerkPOokPzKLwQYtWoaaEjjLpUYuv nWGWZJW5m5O4QFmVX5kPixaldlEC0gvRQuy4AnDzlQon3GCRpLQBYzn6tY8OMRyHXX5L Rhkg== X-Received: by 10.49.75.9 with SMTP id y9mr14955782qev.9.1358084574538; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:42:54 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.11.241 with SMTP id t17ls2537556qeb.31.gmail; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:42:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.49.15.100 with SMTP id w4mr15017210qec.26.1358084573127; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:42:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:42:52 -0800 (PST) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: Subject: [lojban] What is the source of gismu *definitions*? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_166_17213174.1358084572372" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_166_17213174.1358084572372 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Every Lojbanist understands that gismu denote predicates that are highly=20 practical. e.g. {pilno} includes a goal as pilno3. Indeed, how can we imagine using=20 something without a goal? My question is who collected those definitions? Was it JCB? How was this=20 gimste formed? Is there a changelog of modifications to gismu definitions= =20 starting from the first edition of loglan? My particular interest here is with the recent discussion of a possible new= =20 gismu meaning "qua". The corresponding word is of high frequency in=20 Mandarin but in European languages it is often confused with words meaning= =20 {simsa}. e.g. "as" means both "like" and "qua". Russian "=D0=BA=D0=B0=D0=BA" [kak] means both "like" and "qua". Were Mandarin predicates taken into consideration while constructing gismu= =20 definitions? --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban/-/es2OIcUu0OkJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. ------=_Part_166_17213174.1358084572372 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Every Lojbanist understands that gismu denote predicates that are highly pr= actical.
e.g. {pilno} includes a goal as pilno3. Indeed, how can we ima= gine using something without a goal?

My question i= s who collected those definitions? Was it JCB? How was this gimste formed? = Is there a changelog of modifications to gismu definitions starting from th= e first edition of loglan?

My particular interest = here is with the recent discussion of a possible new gismu meaning "qua". T= he corresponding word is of high frequency in Mandarin but in European lang= uages it is often confused with words meaning {simsa}.
e.g.
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"as" means both "like" and "qua".
Russian "=D0=BA=D0=B0=D0= =BA" [kak] means both "like" and "qua".

Were Manda= rin predicates taken into consideration while constructing gismu definition= s?

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