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On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote=
:

> This really only covers morphology in significant detail, the actual
> choice of the words from the source languages as well as the way in which
> the place structures of the words were created are rather undocumented, t=
o
> my knowledge.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Section 4.14 of CLL gives a description of the gismu creation process (
>> http://dag.github.com/cll/4/14/).
>>
>> However, it would be very interesting to ear the story directly from Bob
>> and the other fathers of Lojban.
>>
>> remod
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 2:42 PM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wr=
ote:
>>
>>> Every Lojbanist understands that gismu denote predicates that are highl=
y
>>> practical.
>>> e.g. {pilno} includes a goal as pilno3. Indeed, how can we imagine usin=
g
>>> something without a goal?
>>>
>>> My question is who collected those definitions? Was it JCB? How was thi=
s
>>> gimste formed? Is there a changelog of modifications to gismu definitio=
ns
>>> starting from the first edition of loglan?
>>>
>>> My particular interest here is with the recent discussion of a possible
>>> new gismu meaning "qua". The corresponding word is of high frequency in
>>> Mandarin but in European languages it is often confused with words mean=
ing
>>> {simsa}.
>>> e.g.
>>> "as" means both "like" and "qua".
>>> Russian "=D0=BA=D0=B0=D0=BA" [kak] means both "like" and "qua".
>>>
>>> Were Mandarin predicates taken into consideration while constructing
>>> gismu definitions?
>>>
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(In &quot;official&quot; writing like the CLL or BPFK pages)<br><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Ian Johnson <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">bl=
indbravado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This really only covers morphology in signif=
icant detail, the actual choice of the words from the source languages as w=
ell as the way in which the place structures of the words were created are =
rather undocumented, to my knowledge.<div class=3D"HOEnZb">
<div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Remo Dentat=
o <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rdentato@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">rdentato@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Section 4.14 of CLL gives a description of the g=
ismu creation process (<a href=3D"http://dag.github.com/cll/4/14/" target=
=3D"_blank">http://dag.github.com/cll/4/14/</a>). <br><br></div>However, it=
 would be very interesting to ear the story directly from Bob and the other=
 fathers of Lojban.<br>


<br></div>remod<br><div><div><br><br></div></div></div><div><div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at=
 2:42 PM, la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wro=
te:<br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Every Lojbanist understands that gismu denot=
e predicates that are highly practical.<div>e.g. {pilno} includes a goal as=
 pilno3. Indeed, how can we imagine using something without a goal?</div>


<div><br></div><div>My question is who collected those definitions? Was it =
JCB? How was this gimste formed? Is there a changelog of modifications to g=
ismu definitions starting from the first edition of loglan?</div><div>

<br>
</div><div>My particular interest here is with the recent discussion of a p=
ossible new gismu meaning &quot;qua&quot;. The corresponding word is of hig=
h frequency in Mandarin but in European languages it is often confused with=
 words meaning {simsa}.</div>


<div>e.g.</div><div>&quot;as&quot; means both &quot;like&quot; and &quot;qu=
a&quot;.</div><div>Russian &quot;=D0=BA=D0=B0=D0=BA&quot; [kak] means both =
&quot;like&quot; and &quot;qua&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>Were Mandari=
n predicates taken into consideration while constructing gismu definitions?=
</div>


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