Received: from mail-yh0-f63.google.com ([209.85.213.63]:51787) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TuZXS-00032y-Sm; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:12:50 -0800 Received: by mail-yh0-f63.google.com with SMTP id q3sf2237644yhf.8 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:12:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf:from:to :subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=PaeXW8VQbzD0nVdSfK8Y/qsdrT/USbZ9WIwqg0JdQ1s=; b=m+pXRkqcVPAj1nh9NaDcaxQFBXn693yQOpgv/VjNyqyHV+mXyF1bs45hCsktJmqZt9 QD+iD7B4vbQLFZdsvqV29bnIaljhBxGYoKPryZu+ZNBdrwXM0kObJgs7EsuHTqIKi03i NzyjROAdY9M2zaBixjaMl7cqOvupXg90/U4C+J3qwXOy7VV2ofBIHrc95V6/VtP63CgE FCUgX05rDZuSdSD2/q1naM1GSRIbSzKreJsiSj4ErVWA5O0V6SvslbXvlUTwmBSEjesG u555auGL8RcXoZajOOvyh/0cJY1/R88MKqMbg3NkU0s4AO/vDUhmvmWlI0F8IaPOddB5 mOTQ== X-Received: by 10.49.87.1 with SMTP id t1mr14710469qez.41.1358129552114; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:12:32 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.1.109 with SMTP id 13ls3256266qel.87.gmail; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:12:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.69.101 with SMTP id m65mr46720448yhd.27.1358129550557; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:12:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.69.101 with SMTP id m65mr46720447yhd.27.1358129550542; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:12:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a24si649460yhi.0.2013.01.13.18.12.30; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:12:30 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8045517AA2 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:12:29 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] What is the source of gismu *definitions*? Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:12:27 -0500 Message-ID: <4819711.3S0A6CIIJm@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-35-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <50F3199A.7070903@lojban.org> References: <50F3199A.7070903@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sunday, January 13, 2013 15:31:22 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote: > Ian Johnson wrote: > > This really only covers morphology in significant detail, the actual > > choice of the words from the source languages as well as the way in > > which the place structures of the words were created are rather > > undocumented, to my knowledge. > > The choice of the words from source languages is fully documented, but > not in a net-available form. I have a thick binder with one handwritten > form page per 1 to 4 words showing precisely what the etymologies were > that we considered, and that were actually used. An abbreviated form > showing what was finally used is in a file on the Lojban web site somewhere. If you look up a gismu in the English Wiktionary, you'll see which words from the source language contributed to it (words that didn't are left out), often with a link to the Wiktionary entries for those words. The data came from that file. I would be interested in knowing the etymologies of words that were deleted from the official gimste, such as "gumri" and "sicpi". As to the place structures, I'd find the choice of the irregular ones, such as "mitre" and "lanme", interesting. Pierre -- loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.