Received: from mail-pb0-f59.google.com ([209.85.160.59]:64818) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tua2m-0003IL-Lb; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:45:24 -0800 Received: by mail-pb0-f59.google.com with SMTP id uo1sf2301001pbc.14 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:44:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=IdTdUUY5I4SeJTowj7CoCV9VBaem7JvzPFfkswj3mVc=; b=gwwKzpX3oSR3+2OtjzzabFyD46FgL/pEmMYZHLFdcSkYRRIRNKlUjqVH+OVRErmU6X 6U3iDkY1GBCN1/XOgd5RqpodoWy31ly8pAbzcTHdW9+R3ivX2NbCrRZfKLLnmYyR9aHy KpS299mF5SIoX+twFCyirLdx9nke5nIEPfpsINrmqYh5Wr3kPorDutgeCYEUw2WCuMWR 4g7dwsg/NoCY0mLRfyxlLKqYRv1400P7TeaJNiNQQQyrF6VkxGJQ8JGMA2IPvlsqUHXv 0xC2KX1wVzBbyJ+woyG3UrGX6F5YyQE6Gu6chFQdRKVny5pBNCK+a9SCidFcrHf97S/M S64g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=IdTdUUY5I4SeJTowj7CoCV9VBaem7JvzPFfkswj3mVc=; b=k83yVqDp8Hh6UnpBhn2QfxnFrP6Ea+GAZEXV2IY3cpav6FOOGrwpT3Gl4NbeYC+hAg Jg3uBZ1y2qVl7DWYjQ7ZlTmGs2qev4Gr+9OLMy2jdWbhXc1wMkGCYnr0LHmeZMz6I669 aOhMOgwwPjyYuYjgPle+U55x8i8PGOoBYATj10xCga6NJSm1YwU3QAMj65XRVWrongHP k44XKhPUPCwPaD8gtJjmnBUedH+wKbIm4N6NTZKVvXvCz1BCWSqSBPrc2ffT5I7TMAUq z96YXDTYri/TknxetZJENl+5AFZAggiJXb4eAC32qanOBkFWN8hH1nngLFPlv6owf3T5 PtRQ== X-Received: by 10.49.98.42 with SMTP id ef10mr14984417qeb.15.1358131494143; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:44:54 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.64.6 with SMTP id k6ls3038268qes.76.gmail; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:44:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.45.134 with SMTP id n6mr1786481vem.35.1358131492797; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:44:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.45.134 with SMTP id n6mr1786479vem.35.1358131492778; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-f48.google.com (mail-vb0-f48.google.com [209.85.212.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q13si1945542vdh.0.2013.01.13.18.44.52 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.48; Received: by mail-vb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id fc21so3080399vbb.21 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:44:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.218.197 with SMTP id hr5mr98817467vcb.8.1358131492575; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.13.197 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:44:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4819711.3S0A6CIIJm@caracal> References: <50F3199A.7070903@lojban.org> <4819711.3S0A6CIIJm@caracal> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:44:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] What is the source of gismu *definitions*? From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec53968642c59e804d336a187 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec53968642c59e804d336a187 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I never even noticed mitre3 (what the hell does that even mean?), and I pretty much pretend lanme3 doesn't exist. mi'e la latro'a mu'o On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Sunday, January 13, 2013 15:31:22 Bob LeChevalier, President and > Founder - > LLG wrote: > > Ian Johnson wrote: > > > This really only covers morphology in significant detail, the actual > > > choice of the words from the source languages as well as the way in > > > which the place structures of the words were created are rather > > > undocumented, to my knowledge. > > > > The choice of the words from source languages is fully documented, but > > not in a net-available form. I have a thick binder with one handwritten > > form page per 1 to 4 words showing precisely what the etymologies were > > that we considered, and that were actually used. An abbreviated form > > showing what was finally used is in a file on the Lojban web site > somewhere. > > If you look up a gismu in the English Wiktionary, you'll see which words > from > the source language contributed to it (words that didn't are left out), > often > with a link to the Wiktionary entries for those words. The data came from > that > file. > > I would be interested in knowing the etymologies of words that were deleted > from the official gimste, such as "gumri" and "sicpi". As to the place > structures, I'd find the choice of the irregular ones, such as "mitre" and > "lanme", interesting. > > Pierre > -- > loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec53968642c59e804d336a187 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I never even noticed mitre3 (what the hell does that even mean?), and I pre= tty much pretend lanme3 doesn't exist.

mi'e la latro'a m= u'o

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 9:12 PM, = Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Sunday, January 13, 2013 15:31:22 Bob LeC= hevalier, President and Founder -
LLG wrote:
> Ian Johnson wrote:
> > This really only covers morphology in significant detail, the act= ual
> > choice of the words from the source languages as well as the way = in
> > which the place structures of the words were created are rather > > undocumented, to my knowledge.
>
> The choice of the words from source languages is fully documented, but=
> not in a net-available form. =A0I have a thick binder with one handwri= tten
> form page per 1 to 4 words showing precisely what the etymologies were=
> that we considered, and that were actually used. An abbreviated form > showing what was finally used is in a file on the Lojban web site some= where.

If you look up a gismu in the English Wiktionary, you'll see whic= h words from
the source language contributed to it (words that didn't are left out),= often
with a link to the Wiktionary entries for those words. The data came from t= hat
file.

I would be interested in knowing the etymologies of words that were deleted=
from the official gimste, such as "gumri" and "sicpi". = As to the place
structures, I'd find the choice of the irregular ones, such as "mi= tre" and
"lanme", interesting.

Pierre
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loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji

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