Received: from mail-ea0-f190.google.com ([209.85.215.190]:45460) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Turzr-00037o-6J; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:55:21 -0800 Received: by mail-ea0-f190.google.com with SMTP id j12sf586750eaa.27 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:55:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=Jft+B1Zx9c54Ep4A1eJ2JYMl+4qRLVxmq1YCZxWErWc=; b=J2iHrMkFJTyo7yBwXrused9xGgnCxOo+Y5UKO2ELrbw4FmUs9lO+f2ataNX7Yw+j6w HDfvZT9wUEulDdC0m7oVUagPDZKXWxS4Jnmv+/XU/JJzneX/Uj2IfZgSgKbfJYSiMpBg OBDEbnKms3c5Uy5Ld/c0PAwaiKzmwH/f7fNK19T3SyTzhPL8kM8+LU0K1zXYBMKmnhOx NeSDUSCEWQPcJSQxOsHRmVJFZzvj0WyuF8DDVstJuxmAuAw7uXxCaXLFMTwF6UH9+szg 4638XM7vpiJZgqiwJUkWWo1ekaUByJgKvli6IbE6z7tte6yEwaXzI7y/DMolsnH3k6gR D/Cg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=Jft+B1Zx9c54Ep4A1eJ2JYMl+4qRLVxmq1YCZxWErWc=; b=QYs+y0no2WhValu2YzBiOwpgKfk/LQ46QqC2iSOUxzN0LrHFJE9EenMVVTGR15rtgx 1eks2FTiTKa95bO9O3xOHZ6Rm/nsClvI/9ff2nWUygH+tM/AS4pawN32bEh8LA2wlxdq aSJ5Ck0OpB0OZscCWe0KV9I9LHjtVj9howYNlXu59r9LF7pO+i365Us//JDa5edlwOXG pwIqI8nXi+aR+MQiAKPkiVMIBvO1RJ0CQc3xga2lZ6YcmQIWJsD5Nd03ax5aenZYMmzH b1LqCbl5p+oGriEB0gqbRVqrS91zN809qV/6tjyQMFSiNZNi4kvFkASz03zuof1+Yf6P eurg== X-Received: by 10.180.8.9 with SMTP id n9mr16964wia.6.1358200503625; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:55:03 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.87.194 with SMTP id ba2ls1674452wib.6.canary; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:55:03 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.208.198 with SMTP id q46mr108580530eeo.0.1358200502998; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:55:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.208.198 with SMTP id q46mr108580527eeo.0.1358200502980; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ee0-f47.google.com (mail-ee0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g9si5366722eeo.1.2013.01.14.13.55.02 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.47; Received: by mail-ee0-f47.google.com with SMTP id e52so2193982eek.34 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:55:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.178.196 with SMTP id f44mr234578475eem.14.1358200502762; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.127.7 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:55:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20130114133131.GD23808@samsa.fritz.box> References: <88bd2464-6efd-4252-9ff6-7c4f68f79e89@googlegroups.com> <20130114133131.GD23808@samsa.fritz.box> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:55:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] criteria for the dictionary From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebastian_Fr=F6jd?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: so.cool.ogi@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=so.cool.ogi@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b622520803acb04d346b2db X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b622520803acb04d346b2db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sure, I will try to contribute but first I would like to know the frames. What to do and don't, and in what form. And consistency is a good thing in my opinion. Secondly I don't have a lot of time to read through all maillist either, so probably the wheel is being invented many times over and over again. I tried to read backwards through the maillist once, but I soon give up, and the BPFK section is good but incomplete. With a better forum (like wordpress or similar) organised in separate topics, it would be easier to find the information you're looking for, and then it would also be a shorter way to start contributing (well you can contribute anyway ofcourse, but I think you do a better work when you're familiar with the discussions). So with little time to read all mails, my strategy is simply to write down all of my questions/propositions in the same mail and learn from the response I get. Sorry for that. But still, if no one read "mail that long" does that mean all proposals must be short? Or is it even possible for someone non-BPFK to come with proposals? 2013/1/14 v4hn > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 04:55:12AM -0800, jongausib wrote: > > Right now the dictionary is rather finite, but with more contributors it > > could expand to an extreme extent. > > I think it's a good idea to discuss this issue now, so I don't contribute > > with a lot of valsi now, and then a few years later someone delete a lot > of > > my work, because they don't fit into some future official template or > list > > of criteria. > > This attitude is probably _the_ main reason why there is so few content. > > Start contributing, discuss specific things with people on IRC and on the > mriste. > Don't start more meta discussions. There are enough already, few people > read > them, even fewer comment on them and the one person who has authority > (besides > actual usage of lojban in the community) to make decisions (Robin) > will most likely not read mails that long. > > If your contributions are usable and (rather) sane and people use them, > things will most likely not get deleted, for there is no reason to do so. > > Didn't read any further. > > > v4hn > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --047d7b622520803acb04d346b2db Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sure, I will try to contribute but first I would like to know the frames. W= hat to do and don't, and in what form. And consistency is a good thing = in my opinion.
Secondly I don't have a lot of time to read through a= ll maillist either, so probably the wheel is being invented many times over= and over again. I tried to read backwards through the maillist once, but I= soon give up, and the BPFK section is good but incomplete.

With a better forum (like wordpress or similar) organised in separate t= opics, it would be easier to find the information you're looking for, a= nd then it would also be a shorter way to start contributing (well you can = contribute anyway ofcourse, but I think you do a better work when you'r= e familiar with the discussions).

So with little time to read all mails, my strategy is simply to write d= own all of my questions/propositions in the same mail and learn from the re= sponse I get. Sorry for that. But still, if no one read "mail that lon= g" does that mean all proposals must be short? Or is it even possible = for someone non-BPFK to come with proposals?


2013/1/14 v4hn <me@v4hn.de>
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 04:55:12AM -0800, jongausib wrote= :
> Right now the dictionary is rather finite, but with more contributors = it
> could expand to an extreme extent.
> I think it's a good idea to discuss this issue now, so I don't= contribute
> with a lot of valsi now, and then a few years later someone delete a l= ot of
> my work, because they don't fit into some future official template= or list
> of criteria.

This attitude is probably _the_ main reason why there is so few conte= nt.

Start contributing, discuss specific things with people on IRC and on the m= riste.
Don't start more meta discussions. There are enough already, few people= read
them, even fewer comment on them and the one person who has authority (besi= des
actual usage of lojban in the community) to make decisions (Robin)
will most likely not read mails that long.

If your contributions are usable and (rather) sane and people use them,
things will most likely not get deleted, for there is no reason to do so.
Didn't read any further.


v4hn

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