Received: from mail-yh0-f63.google.com ([209.85.213.63]:62627) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TuurK-00041D-4L; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:58:46 -0800 Received: by mail-yh0-f63.google.com with SMTP id q3sf2868341yhf.8 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:58:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf:from:to :subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=Q6xJyj3PE6C+SZwDJySasmWUX7pehHuXyJGv2J0+NpY=; b=KKLIX1dXIzxEA2EQmCYlYXn4jcCDp31eELIiFO2R70AWIJpZ3j8y/Vs+5XBG3k/v4Y KySizsDGGktcIv/1HGnQvMUEvQmmfi4tFlda72r2t73i6DXJOeVzvwYCLgze7CUkXZqf mnQPBrpPRyR/rifE1MQWfw3efVIwd5zbvYf0M91knlSMOZqxNNapedQJD4qakXX7ZbWF sR+NWEg3SxIEkPkZRwxW0/g4b82D7x9onq25HSfi0GcHGaX0BcTjMqMTNwte0nyFVY22 JT/cH0wMI9a16YnQWgQcHKb5hx+jVMuUm6BsAlNvRbpcE4RKChm5oJWM5x59Hpaexn9K 9krg== X-Received: by 10.49.24.14 with SMTP id q14mr15866790qef.17.1358211507477; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:58:27 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.94.139 with SMTP id dc11ls3608733qeb.1.gmail; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:58:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.127.144 with SMTP id d16mr44269783yhi.15.1358211506935; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:58:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.127.144 with SMTP id d16mr44269781yhi.15.1358211506926; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:58:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p19si792437yhi.1.2013.01.14.16.58.26; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:58:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26CB216DB for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:58:25 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: criteria for the dictionary Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:58:23 -0500 Message-ID: <194033863.bfrJ171OII@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-35-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <88bd2464-6efd-4252-9ff6-7c4f68f79e89@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Monday, January 14, 2013 23:03:21 Sebastian Fr=F6jd wrote: > .iesai Doesn't sound so difficult really. Why not having an algorithm > translating IPA to lojban for all languages, so for every phone (phonetic= s) > you translate it into the most lojbanic phonematic counterpart? You're going to run into serious problems with languages like these: Hmong. It has seven tones, syllables begin with consonant clusters like "np= l"=20 and "qh", and there are no consonants at the ends of syllables (though some= =20 vowels are nasal, which could be transliterated as "n"). Khoisan languages and Bantu languages that have borrowed clicks from them. Ubykh and other northern Caucasian languages, which have huge consonant=20 inventories. Georgian. Some consonant clusters violate Lojban phonotactics several times= . Pierre --=20 gau do li'i co'e kei do --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.