Received: from mail-gh0-f192.google.com ([209.85.160.192]:51597) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TuwSY-0004X0-3P; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:41:15 -0800 Received: by mail-gh0-f192.google.com with SMTP id r13sf1855711ghr.29 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:40:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=ceZFeNv7Biaut35Dwm+lS467ZkvVv/T9inS+3ZX5n8w=; b=Tnn8AhARwQdFgV2uuUbxZ2DSnFKrH7qE/8UamJGF3P/uwuGdUlWtGIQola/1WcqZ// IT5iLw8x9kPhemIXIF8vyj9snaDgOeMrM0KPA1ysM6yKnc4D9Y4Dj/7CNDUiAJs5Lwn9 T75UElO4cTQS7jP2MWkWW6/UKHtdlmJI1Pf4RsfoXdxZ7gwsb1Gs8j/m0/7ycNxANv7P vXj8pJ48hs7x+5AEJEgYVYuF8sqstBDWVy2PATPhuonWGte1AjgXblP8efAInyAIgu1A xqcDcNo+0nr+UOgRbZ8Co0/XZvalxU95Vxif2YULgX0RurEbAqaSdscSY+s8YA9Kriu2 D6ZA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=ceZFeNv7Biaut35Dwm+lS467ZkvVv/T9inS+3ZX5n8w=; b=qlU6Hg+UCdD0425KLVzz3G6+St8Lg2VLTwVPNnCr1Keh+glFC9aM7gjhx6FPNBLWel Cqg3Q5NneIZgyxmRz47ktfgECimvjLS27Irs2IIz0ZkOaikLzHPjxuGwHGEyW+qONKwe TIpoRegKQkskKFP5Iq+UJzqOpxTKSBQDZf9EhkeX8kuSI6ZbZd2hbcgMN40htFWA70f8 KAbRYJylTxDR8XBDSlzdAwJZAq/vloIJ/TQTvmeP30MlMwUwAFdQ0rb0i2QymD6rZsMo Hd81rmnWhdtsTwURTQjXlfsnHHOrgldgQ+fmBBOUjYvxwozAAqqKWQP6PrMIA4gn7KHR 53qw== X-Received: by 10.49.15.6 with SMTP id t6mr15452645qec.20.1358217659680; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:40:59 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.35.169 with SMTP id i9ls3863270qej.42.gmail; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:40:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.225.193 with SMTP id rm1mr37869398vec.10.1358217659111; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:40:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.225.193 with SMTP id rm1mr37869397vec.10.1358217659100; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:40:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q13si2627306vdh.0.2013.01.14.18.40.59 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:40:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.175; Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id fy7so4196704vcb.20 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:40:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.218.197 with SMTP id hr5mr101989587vcb.8.1358217659000; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:40:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.13.197 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:40:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <88bd2464-6efd-4252-9ff6-7c4f68f79e89@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:40:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: criteria for the dictionary From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec539686417a6c804d34ab12a X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec539686417a6c804d34ab12a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > .iesai Doesn't sound so difficult really. Why not having an algorithm > translating IPA to lojban for all languages, so for every phone (phonetics) > you translate it into the most lojbanic phonematic counterpart? > Lojban has a rather low number of phonemes, so there is no function mapping IPA to lojban. Also, the optimization problem for approximating sounds that Lojban doesn't have is in the general case ill-posed. Specific examples such as theta/thorn can be solved, but getting a general mapping from IPA to Lojban isn't going to happen. Nor is it going to happen with IPA to English, which has many more phonemes. mi'e la latro'a mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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.iesai Doesn't sound so difficult really. Why not having= an algorithm translating IPA to lojban for all languages, so for every pho= ne (phonetics) you translate it into the most lojbanic phonematic counterpa= rt?
Lojban has a rather low number of phonemes, s= o there is no function mapping IPA to lojban. Also, the optimization proble= m for approximating sounds that Lojban doesn't have is in the general c= ase ill-posed. Specific examples such as theta/thorn can be solved, but get= ting a general mapping from IPA to Lojban isn't going to happen. Nor is= it going to happen with IPA to English, which has many more phonemes.

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