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Thanks for all your response. I think I know better what to do know and how=
 to add words.
So I agree that the IPA to lojban algorithm isn't that unproblematic after =
all. Anyway, this is approximately what we're doing every time we construct=
 a new cmene, despite the loss of phonetic information in the translation p=
rocess.

fe'omi'e jongausib

Skickat fr=E5n min iPhone

15 jan 2013 kl. 03:40 skrev Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>:

>> .iesai Doesn't sound so difficult really. Why not having an algorithm tr=
anslating IPA to lojban for all languages, so for every phone (phonetics) y=
ou translate it into the most lojbanic phonematic counterpart?
> Lojban has a rather low number of phonemes, so there is no function mappi=
ng IPA to lojban. Also, the optimization problem for approximating sounds t=
hat Lojban doesn't have is in the general case ill-posed. Specific examples=
 such as theta/thorn can be solved, but getting a general mapping from IPA =
to Lojban isn't going to happen. Nor is it going to happen with IPA to Engl=
ish, which has many more phonemes.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=
=3Dutf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Thanks for all your response. I th=
ink I know better what to do know and how to add words.</div><div>So I agre=
e that the IPA to lojban algorithm isn't that unproblematic after all. Anyw=
ay, this is approximately what we're doing every time we construct a new cm=
ene, despite the loss of phonetic information in the translation process.</=
div><div><br></div><div>fe'omi'e jongausib<br><br>Skickat fr=E5n min iPhone=
</div><div><br>15 jan 2013 kl. 03:40 skrev Ian Johnson &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:blindbravado@gmail.com">blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br><br></div><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>.iesai Doesn't sound so difficult=
 really. Why not having an algorithm translating IPA to lojban for all lang=
uages, so for every phone (phonetics) you translate it into the most lojban=
ic phonematic counterpart?<br>
</div></div></blockquote><div>Lojban has a rather low number of phonemes, s=
o there is no function mapping IPA to lojban. Also, the optimization proble=
m for approximating sounds that Lojban doesn't have is in the general case =
ill-posed. Specific examples such as theta/thorn can be solved, but getting=
 a general mapping from IPA to Lojban isn't going to happen. Nor is it goin=
g to happen with IPA to English, which has many more phonemes.<br>
<br>mi'e la latro'a mu'o <br></div></div>

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