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But we can't edit official definitions. > Adding a gloss word is not editing a definition. And if you mean you don't have the permissions needed to get to {.u'u}'s edit page, well, that's a personal problem, because I'm looking at it right now. > Another point is semantic class to which each word belongs. There is no > such functionality yet except notes. But we can't build mind maps using > that. > >> >> Skickat fr=E5n min iPhone >> >> 15 jan 2013 kl. 15:09 skrev la gleki : >> >> I should also note that jbovlaste in it's current version can't fufil th= e >> goals of la jbojba. >> >> e.g. let's take English word "Sorry!" >> How to say that in lojban? Where in jbovlaste you can find it? >> Not an easy task to figure out that it's basically {u'u}. >> >> Therefore, *unfortunately *i'll have to keep such stuff in la jbojba >> until jvs is fixed. >> >> >> On Monday, January 14, 2013 6:37:08 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, January 14, 2013 3:34:41 PM UTC+4, jongausib wrote: >>>> >>>> What is the idea of this wordlist? Is this list going to be exported >>>> into jbovlaste once it is complete? >>>> >>> >>> The main idea is to fill gaps in lojbanic lexicon. >>> 1. Into jvs. >>> 2. Into tatoeba. >>> 3. There is at least one tab that is called "semantic list". Grouping >>> words into a thesaurus or a dictionary a la CycL/Upper ontology/Roget e= tc. >>> would also be nice. >>> >>> >>> Note that i placed some other projects like translating books, stories >>> and poems there. I don't think there serioud limitations in Google docs= for >>> spreadsheets with large number of tabs. >>> >>> >>> >>>> What is LFN? >>>> >>> >>> It's a list taken from Lingua Franca Nova dictionary. If you don't like >>> it don't fill it. >>> la jbojba has many tabs. Choose the one that you like. >>> If you don't like any please create another tab and put your favorite >>> lists there. >>> >>> If you wanna other people to join your translation project you can >>> import the source text of the book/story/song/poem there and inform us = here >>> about your project. >>> So it's a crowd-sourcing project not only for filling the vocabulary. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I've noticed you're using the word {vlipa} for "force (physics)". I >>>> think physical force is a more direct concept, not a latent potential = of >>>> having the power to do something, but something that acts directly on >>>> something, so I suggest {bapli}, {mujbai} or something similar. What d= o you >>>> think? >>>> >>> >>> I think nothing. I'm not n expert in those things. Why not {danre}? >>> >>> >>> >>>> 2013/1/14 Sebastian Fr=F6jd >>>> >>>>> If there is a word in english or another language which is pronounced >>>>> similar but with a different meaning, is that also a "gismu cognate" = ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/1/12 la gleki >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, January 4, 2013 11:06:59 PM UTC+4, stevo wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just looked at that file, and it's nice. >>>>>>> I got out my 5-language thematic computer dictionary to see if I >>>>>>> could add some terms, but it's almost completely obsolete, from 197= 2. >>>>>>> (Hungarian, German, English, Russian, Esperanto) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> A new tab called "gismu cognates". gismu that sound very similar to >>>>>> words in other languages like >>>>>> dansu ~ dance >>>>>> ckule ~ school >>>>>> >>>>>> https://docs.google.com/**spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D** >>>>>> 0Ahngu1CNj7wddDZBRzgwMm1EWlpKU**EJRcTQtUGNCMFE#gid=3D22 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If you wanna fill in the list for a language other than English just >>>>>> add a corresponding column. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> stevo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 11:38 AM, la gleki wr= ote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/**spread**sheet/ccc?key=3D**0Ahngu1CNj7wdd= DZ* >>>>>>>> *BRzgwMm1EWlpKU**EJRcTQtUGNCMFE#**gid=3D21 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All recent projects of filling gaps in vocabulary (FunctionalList, >>>>>>>> nuclear physics terms, semantic lists of most important terms in a= ny >>>>>>>> language) >>>>>>>> have been moved to this list. This has been done in order to >>>>>>>> simplify the whole process. Just choose the topic that you like an= d start >>>>>>>> creating vocabulary for it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also I'm gonna create new tabs in this *gugl. gredile vreji*(Googl= e spreadsheet file) in order to place parallel translations of >>>>>>>> different texts there in several languages (of course No 1 column = is always >>>>>>>> Lojban, other languages are world natlangs). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please, join the project. >>>>>>>> If you feel that you need another topic-specific tab don't hesitat= e >>>>>>>> to create it and then inform us about your work. >>>>>>>> Any help is appreciated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/**ms**g/lojban/-/5_o0I5DZdc8J >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+un...@** >>>>>>>> googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>>>>>> group**/lojban?hl=3Den . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d= / >>>>>> **msg/lojban/-/u21AtTb5B8UJ >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>>>> group/lojban?hl=3Den = . >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >> msg/lojban/-/IYfiwyWExeoJ >> . >> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+un...@** >> googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/lojban?hl=3Den . >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/aL9b8J2sdAkJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:33 AM, la glek= i <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:26:21 PM UTC+4, jo= ngausib wrote:
Isn't it just possible to edit {u'u} in jbovlaste and there add t= he keyword {sorry (one sense)} ?

I wish I could. But we c= an't edit official definitions.

Adding a glo= ss word is not editing a definition. And if you mean you don't have the= permissions needed to get to {.u'u}'s edit page, well, that's = a personal problem, because I'm looking at it right now.
=A0
Another point is se= mantic class to which each word belongs. There is no such functionality yet= except notes. But we can't build mind maps using that.

Skickat = fr=E5n min iPhone

15 jan 2013 kl. 15:09 skrev la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com>:

I should al= so note that jbovlaste in it's current version can't fufil the goal= s of la jbojba.

e.g. let's take English word "S= orry!"
How to say that in lojban? Where in jbovlaste you can find it?
Not an easy task to figure out that it's basically {u'u}.
<= div>
Therefore, unfortunately i'll have to keep su= ch stuff in la jbojba until jvs is fixed.


On Monday, January 14, 2013 6:37:08 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border= -left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

On Monday, January 14, 2013 = 3:34:41 PM UTC+4, jongausib wrote:
What is the idea of this wordlist? Is this list going to be exported into j= bovlaste once it is complete?

The main = idea is to fill gaps in lojbanic lexicon.
1. Into jvs.
2. Into tatoeba.
3. There is at least one tab =A0that is called &= quot;semantic list". Grouping words into a thesaurus or a dictionary a= la CycL/Upper ontology/Roget etc. would also be nice.


Note that i placed some other projects like translating= books, stories and poems there. I don't think there serioud limitation= s in Google docs for spreadsheets with large number of tabs.



What i= s LFN?

It's a list taken from Lingu= a Franca Nova dictionary. If you don't like it don't fill it.
la jbojba has many tabs. Choose the one that you like.
If yo= u don't like any please create another tab and put your favorite lists = there.

If you wanna other people to join your tran= slation project you can import the source text of the book/story/song/poem = there and inform us here about your project.
So it's a crowd-sourcing project not only for filling the vocabula= ry.
=A0

I've= noticed you're using the word {vlipa} for "force (physics)".= I think physical force is a more direct concept, not a latent potential of= having the power to do something, but something that acts directly on some= thing, so I suggest {bapli}, {mujbai} or something similar. What do you thi= nk?

I think nothing. I'm not n expert in t= hose things. Why not =A0{danre}?



2013/1/14 Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.co...@gmail.com>
2013/1/12 la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com>


On Friday, January 4, 2013 11:0= 6:59 PM UTC+4, stevo wrote:
I just looked at that file, and it's nice.=A0
I got out my 5-langua= ge thematic computer dictionary to see if I could add some terms, but it= 9;s almost completely obsolete, from 1972. (Hungarian, German, English, Rus= sian, Esperanto)

A new tab called "gismu cognate= s". gismu that sound very similar to words in other languages like=A0<= /div>
dansu ~ dance
ckule ~ school


If you wanna fill in the list for a language othe= r than English just add a corresponding column.


stevo

On Fri, Ja= n 4, 2013 at 11:38 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.= com> wrote:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc= ?key=3D0Ahngu1CNj7wddDZBRzgwMm1EWlpKUEJRcTQtUGNCMFE#gid=3D21

All recent projects of filling gaps in vocabulary (Func= tionalList, nuclear physics terms, semantic lists of most important terms i= n any language)
have been moved to this list. This has been done = in order to simplify the whole process. Just choose the topic that you like= and start creating vocabulary for it.

Also I'm gonna create new tabs in this gugl. gre= dile vreji (Google spreadsheet file) in order to place parallel transla= tions of different texts there in several languages (of course No 1 column = is always Lojban, other languages are world natlangs).

Please, join the project.
If you feel that yo= u need another topic-specific tab don't hesitate to create it and then = inform us about your work.
Any help is appreciated.

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