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This has already been mentioned, and the answer is the same: you should be
able to say "I remember something about someone's experience of being
pregnant" (for example, that she got morning sickness) and "I remember the
experience of being pregnant [which I experienced myself]". Another way of
looking at this is that the relationship between x2 and x3, x1 aside, is
fundamental to djuno/morji/most other gismu that involve du'u, which makes
it so the zi'o deletion doesn't even entirely make sense.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

>   'Course, I don't know why no one has mentioned the obvious-to-me
> solution.  Unlike the se morji, the _te_morji is not strongly-cased to
> du'u.  There is nothing wrong with saying "mi morji [zi'o?] fi lo li'i  se
> tarbi"?
>
>                              --gejyspa
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Not the same thing, though, as we've been saying repeatedly; remembering
>> facts about an experience and the experience itself are different concepts.
>>
>> mi'e la latro'a mu'o
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:55 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>> la .van. cu cusku di'e
>>>
>>>  On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 09:09:17AM -0500, Craig Daniel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Isn't this just the distinction between remembering a nu and
>>>>> remembering a du'u? Or am I missing something?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More between {morji lo du'u} and {morji lo li'i}
>>>> as was pointed out already.
>>>>
>>>> However, at the moment {morji} is restricted to {du'u}
>>>> (see definition), so normally you shouldn't be allowed
>>>> to use {morji} with {nu}/{li'i}.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Without adding any new gismu, there is also the possibility of:
>>>
>>> mi morji lo du'u ma kau li'i se tarbi
>>> I remember what it was like to be pregnant.
>>>
>>> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>>>
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This has already been mentioned, and the answer is the same: you should be =
able to say &quot;I remember something about someone&#39;s experience of be=
ing pregnant&quot; (for example, that she got morning sickness) and &quot;I=
 remember the experience of being pregnant [which I experienced myself]&quo=
t;. Another way of looking at this is that the relationship between x2 and =
x3, x1 aside, is fundamental to djuno/morji/most other gismu that involve d=
u&#39;u, which makes it so the zi&#39;o deletion doesn&#39;t even entirely =
make sense.<br>
<br>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
ue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 &#39;Course, I don&#39;=
t know why no one has mentioned the obvious-to-me solution. =A0Unlike the s=
e morji, the _te_morji is not strongly-cased to du&#39;u. =A0There is nothi=
ng wrong with saying &quot;mi morji [zi&#39;o?] fi lo li&#39;i =A0se tarbi&=
quot;?<div>

<br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-=
-gejyspa<div><div class=3D"h5"><br><div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blindbravado@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Not the same thing, though, as we&#39;ve bee=
n saying repeatedly; remembering facts about an experience and the experien=
ce itself are different concepts.<div>

<br></div><div><div>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br><br></div><div><div=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:55 AM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


la .van. cu cusku di&#39;e<div><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 09:09:17AM -0500, Craig Daniel wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Isn&#39;t this just the distinction between remembering a nu and<br>
remembering a du&#39;u? Or am I missing something?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
More between {morji lo du&#39;u} and {morji lo li&#39;i}<br>
as was pointed out already.<br>
<br>
However, at the moment {morji} is restricted to {du&#39;u}<br>
(see definition), so normally you shouldn&#39;t be allowed<br>
to use {morji} with {nu}/{li&#39;i}.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Without adding any new gismu, there is also the possibility of:<br>
<br>
mi morji lo du&#39;u ma kau li&#39;i se tarbi<br>
I remember what it was like to be pregnant.<br>
<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<div><div><br>
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