Received: from mail-wi0-f184.google.com ([209.85.212.184]:64738) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TvGDB-0004Pb-6z; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:46:47 -0800 Received: by mail-wi0-f184.google.com with SMTP id o1sf277202wic.1 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:46:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf:date:from :to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=0NpiyDxiY2qqHA4ALq+CMhMYDN0W2SKuGqi2Ww24nCU=; b=qI+vXdtfz1dNbYWMv+eqDNa2N1TPzle4shTH5qg6XWarTHIHVHZnxydV1WIJ0S63+R q4bpTT4EQxSJEp+xzir6yxXahYZAwJYp4tKfE6RLqJW/Y9tw0ihTFykFcThvk8kYpFzJ nRTw8VjzufmiQZZJyFMjsb8ZNihXm4B052mo1t4B4L/zs6JIJqNIj9zHt1/o4VEJSp0T IQSOApJoWno9ogn84PX5H9e+/nUo0BWKQC1/0CJleTYUVfpeB0WOg/DW5Xd8WVnRQF10 c5McFYvdsg4VTpcS5iAmHZb5ba+Q3aSuBdq/bCSPiWr5Pt0rl4kfRCFQ2O+owWr4o1a3 tC8Q== X-Received: by 10.180.103.138 with SMTP id fw10mr1008680wib.11.1358293585538; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:46:25 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.84.98 with SMTP id x2ls2314383wiy.27.canary; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:46:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.0.196 with SMTP id 44mr113405149eeb.6.1358293584361; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:46:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.0.196 with SMTP id 44mr113405147eeb.6.1358293584348; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:46:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from dd17822.kasserver.com (dd17822.kasserver.com. [85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z44si6529164een.0.2013.01.15.15.46.24 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:46:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4d0cda38.pool.mediaWays.net [77.12.218.56]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B3A53865035 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:46:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:46:23 +0100 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Secondary meaning of {cevni} Message-ID: <20130115234623.GL23808@samsa.fritz.box> References: <20130101153503.GG32434@samsa.fritz.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="R3SAtXwgGp429mN7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --R3SAtXwgGp429mN7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 12:13:21PM -0500, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM, v4hn wrote: > > Language has to provide means for people to _express_ what things _might_ > > be > > and therefore provide a basis for people to express what _they think_ > > things are. > > > > It's not, and nobody said it is, dependent on the language > > whether the Goa'uld are gods or not! It depends on the perspective! > > If you listen to the Goa'uld servants speaking english, they might still > > utter "The Goa'uld are gods". If you listen to a member of SG-1, they > > might utter "The Goa'uld are no gods". Neither one is said to be wrong > > from a pure 'language perspective'. > > > tu'e paunai xu la'i go,auld la'a na fatci cevni mi na'e kucli mu'i lodu'u do na ka'e satci skicu lodu'u lo cevni ku mokau > . iku'i gy te krici lo nu cevni ku lo selfu tu'u iseni'ibo ri pilno > lu lo cevni li'u .ije lo drata pilno ba'e lu le cevni li'u to'i pu ju'o la xorlos toi v4hn --R3SAtXwgGp429mN7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlD16k8ACgkQMBKLZs4+wjwvbQCgjw1la6r8into7n+RB16s8vTP rccAnA1AGZeooEis5mcXeAHS5A0fKv+d =p7Zj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --R3SAtXwgGp429mN7--