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On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:35:17 AM UTC+4, lojbab wrote:
>
> > It's just  a continuation of Lojban Functional List. 
>
> Whatever that is. 
>

That is a list created by Lindar. 

>
> > If no one wants to fill gaps in lojbanic lexicon, even in computer 
> > terminology, well then no fluent speakers will appear soon. Otherwise 
> > how can we discuss anything on the internet? 
>
> If someone wants to fill gaps, then they will coin words for those gaps 
> and add them to jbovlaste or some other repository of Lojban coinings. 
> If they've done it well, then others are likely to use their coinings 
> rather than making their own coinage. 
>

jbovlaste is fine. The main problem with e.g. computer terminology is that 
there should be one style while creating those terms.
if e.g. "log in" is {co'a se jaspu} and "log out" {co'u pilno lo jaspu} 
then there is something wrong.
jbovlaste will turn into a mess.
When we decide on the only style for most computer terms then we'll add 
them and any spreadsheet temporary lists will be removed.

Note that the wiki has plenty of pages with proposals for such terms (not 
only computer terms).
Nobody developed them. And still nobody complained that those pages existed.

If there is really strong rejection of spreadsheet lists and nobody gonna 
add such terms into jbovlaste (I really don't know how {pilno lo jaspu} can 
be added into it) then I'll finish the list myself anyway and present it 
just here in mriste. If still nobody is interested then i'll just start 
using it myself without asking anyone to check the list.


> Words are added to English and other natural languages *naturally*, 
> merely by people coining them, whether systematically or arbitrarily. 
> It works. 
>
> If Lojban aspires to be a natural language (or to emulate one) it will 
> have to accept the processes that act upon natural languages.  Indeed it 
> is impossible to prevent those processes.  (look how successful the 
> French Academy has been at preventing "le weekend", and I just read that 
> Russian now has a variety of words derived from "Pussy Riot", probably 
> despite the strong disapproval of Leader Putin). 
>
> lojbab 
>

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<br><br>On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:35:17 AM UTC+4, lojbab wrote:<blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-=
left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">&gt; It's just &nbsp;a continuatio=
n of Lojban Functional List.
<br>
<br>Whatever that is.
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That is a list created by Lindar.&nbsp=
;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.=
8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>&gt; If no one wants to fill gaps in lojbanic lexicon, even in computer
<br>&gt; terminology, well then no fluent speakers will appear soon. Otherw=
ise
<br>&gt; how can we discuss anything on the internet?
<br>
<br>If someone wants to fill gaps, then they will coin words for those gaps=
=20
<br>and add them to jbovlaste or some other repository of Lojban coinings.=
=20
<br>If they've done it well, then others are likely to use their coinings=
=20
<br>rather than making their own coinage.
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>jbovlaste is fine. The main problem wi=
th e.g. computer terminology is that there should be one style while creati=
ng those terms.</div><div>if e.g. "log in" is {co'a se jaspu} and "log out"=
 {co'u pilno lo jaspu} then there is something wrong.</div><div>jbovlaste w=
ill turn into a mess.</div><div>When we decide on the only style for most c=
omputer terms then we'll add them and any spreadsheet temporary lists will =
be removed.</div><div><br></div><div>Note that the wiki has plenty of pages=
 with proposals for such terms (not only computer terms).</div><div>Nobody =
developed them. And still nobody complained that those pages existed.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>If there is really strong rejection of spreadsheet list=
s and nobody gonna add such terms into jbovlaste (I really don't know how {=
pilno lo jaspu} can be added into it) then I'll finish the list myself anyw=
ay and present it just here in mriste. If still nobody is interested then i=
'll just start using it myself without asking anyone to check the list.</di=
v><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margi=
n-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>Words are added to English and other natural languages *naturally*,=20
<br>merely by people coining them, whether systematically or arbitrarily.=
=20
<br>It works.
<br>
<br>If Lojban aspires to be a natural language (or to emulate one) it will=
=20
<br>have to accept the processes that act upon natural languages. &nbsp;Ind=
eed it=20
<br>is impossible to prevent those processes. &nbsp;(look how successful th=
e=20
<br>French Academy has been at preventing "le weekend", and I just read tha=
t=20
<br>Russian now has a variety of words derived from "Pussy Riot", probably=
=20
<br>despite the strong disapproval of Leader Putin).
<br>
<br>lojbab
<br></blockquote>

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