=A0 I haven't seen anywhere on this thread (but maybe = in a split-off thread that I haven't read, or stuff in the #irc that ha= s the li'i in the x3. =A0But as for there being a fundamental relations= hip between in the x2 and x3 in djuno/morji/et al, I disagree. =A0In fact, = if you view the entire corpus, I will boldly suggest that the incidence in = which one or both of these are left blank for those set of bridi far outwei= ghs the incidence of them both being explicitly defined. =A0Yes, I did it m= yself just recently in another thread (" iku'i gy te krici lo nu c= evni ku lo selfu tu'u"), but usually we say things like "mi m= orji fi la marias" and there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. =A0We =A0don&= #39;t have to mention specific du'u associated with Maria, or indeed th= e mentioning of them might serve to render those not mentioned as somehow b= eing inferior. =A0We can zi'o the x2 if it's holistic x3 we wish to= talk about, not the specific body of facts associated with it. =A0And in t= his case, we are remembering an experience. =A0I haven't a problem with= that.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Ian Johnson <blindb= ravado@gmail.com> wrote:

This has already been mentioned, and the ans= wer is the same: you should be able to say "I remember something about= someone's experience of being pregnant" (for example, that she go= t morning sickness) and "I remember the experience of being pregnant [= which I experienced myself]". Another way of looking at this is that t= he relationship between x2 and x3, x1 aside, is fundamental to djuno/morji/= most other gismu that involve du'u, which makes it so the zi'o dele= tion doesn't even entirely make sense.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:24 PM, = Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

=A0 'Course, I don'= t know why no one has mentioned the obvious-to-me solution. =A0Unlike the s= e morji, the _te_morji is not strongly-cased to du'u. =A0There is nothi= ng wrong with saying "mi morji [zi'o?] fi lo li'i =A0se tarbi&= quot;?

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-= -gejyspa

On Wed, = Jan 9, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

Not the same thing, though, as we've bee= n saying repeatedly; remembering facts about an experience and the experien= ce itself are different concepts.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:55 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> = wrote:
la .van. cu cusku di'e

On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 09:09:17AM -0500, Craig Daniel wrote:

Isn't this just the distinction between remembering a nu and
remembering a du'u? Or am I missing something?

More between {morji lo du'u} and {morji lo li'i}
as was pointed out already.

However, at the moment {morji} is restricted to {du'u}
(see definition), so normally you shouldn't be allowed
to use {morji} with {nu}/{li'i}.

Without adding any new gismu, there is also the possibility of:

mi morji lo du'u ma kau li'i se tarbi
I remember what it was like to be pregnant.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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