Received: from mail-pb0-f58.google.com ([209.85.160.58]:55542) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TvTi2-0003Vs-QU; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:11:32 -0800 Received: by mail-pb0-f58.google.com with SMTP id xa7sf828907pbc.3 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:11:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FnJjpw6WfuMKRmnjYLy1PWRdzM8plOqOsvVHU3J/LQ8=; b=REjUiE7V3mT+6AOTiFo6luMdWxQ2IbvIkuTvTYGvgQ0FfiRpQehbbQdAsAof2HDEib p1NwMDSjTbO1hdO35pcOxF4xKojVZ33r2MKbWEuRNy1MCMNWV50rGi+hYwshIKWR5x3d /g4vlhhQGC/tLuykYeD4EU+tSyaIj3+bZM+dtx0GrhrCah7znoHeGcin2oo3knOBUoT6 POo+jeszMMfCPpKvqBMKuV7PaKGriCEPUyBZzbaxRfKdrmBuWRZqYLZuMurnVPQjC9Hu wp0+2Ey/pD+Nh/bEqZcZQaM6e1RXqSZmgRmaIXoNf+NSnzdVo0A9OiQIq7MtOU06fo+8 yAhQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FnJjpw6WfuMKRmnjYLy1PWRdzM8plOqOsvVHU3J/LQ8=; b=Idqbhj9Jz9PBvbbmHTICu1hHvYgn4N/XN0cGDxNyDn022/6Xu4ZhmiqOhRtMdlWigj iJZ+Dui7bUodZhVF2A7LoGgMe1n9Z2S/0Nb5pVJnTcuzrkt5wgqNSjCa/kLy4Xom5bso Kj5RcnAZOh0ZhtZpcGCEv5AHXQFfzf0QIUUk+aQv2odpW+Q+sixYzn1wzF9MvO0NIBrM 6Sa3bZJidh93wdW4EzZWi9Tg5qPywhMgidI12KC4+Z4DUtVYkUc4YCKufQWvvkw6vZRL BtyK8HCPgZZS89T/uhZIqhAmnhC9cD1fs/qeOLf1/qsMOKQJE/RGQryr82OFA3EzoRfl YY9Q== X-Received: by 10.49.116.115 with SMTP id jv19mr218879qeb.21.1358345472098; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:11:12 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.1.5 with SMTP id 5ls858245qei.18.gmail; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:11:11 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.49.15.6 with SMTP id t6mr225803qec.20.1358345471352; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:11:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:11:10 -0800 (PST) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <3cee4463-9ff6-433d-af77-5f2c7238de31@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <7549994.bcZ8SLmLp3@caracal> Subject: Re: [lojban] zergau MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_64_22194344.1358345471009" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_64_22194344.1358345471009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 5:57:39 PM UTC+4, xorxes wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Jonathan Jones > > wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Jones > > wrote: > >> > >> That would have the additional side benefit of freeing up zergau for > >> "politician". > > > > Sorry. "Legislator". > > I think "criminalize" is a better gloss for "zergau". For "legislator" > I would suggest "flafi'i" (or "xelfla"), since not all laws are about > crimes. > I always wondered why {zekri} had no place for the agent who commits the crime. > >> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Pierre Abbat > > wrote: > >>> > >>> There's a sentence "ti'e la .uengas. zergau" in the Book. "zergau", by > >>> the > >>> usual "-gau" rule, should mean "x1 makes x2 be a crime in x3's legal > >>> system". > >>> Wouldn't "zertra" be a better word for "criminal"? > > Yes, or "zerzu'e". > > This is a common mistake resulting from "gasnu" being misglossed as > "do" rather than "make". > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/egO30fdm45oJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_64_22194344.1358345471009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 5:57:39 PM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:29 AM, J= onathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@g= mail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That would have the additional side benefit of freeing up zerg= au for
>> "politician".
>
> Sorry. "Legislator".

I think "criminalize" is a better gloss for "zergau". For "legislator"
I would suggest "flafi'i" (or "xelfla"), since not all laws are about
crimes.

I always wondered why {zekri} had no p= lace for the agent who commits the crime.


>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Pierre Abbat <ph...@= bezitopo.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> There's a sentence "ti'e la .uengas. zergau" in the Book. = "zergau", by
>>> the
>>> usual "-gau" rule, should mean "x1 makes x2 be a crime in = x3's legal
>>> system".
>>> Wouldn't "zertra" be a better word for "criminal"?

Yes, or "zerzu'e".

This is a common mistake resulting from "gasnu" being misglossed as
"do" rather than "make".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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