Received: from mail-qc0-f186.google.com ([209.85.216.186]:52830) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TvXxx-00062L-LU; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:44:14 -0800 Received: by mail-qc0-f186.google.com with SMTP id y9sf973210qcp.13 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:43:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=cDacxRWgRzZDTbm8pN2dyc2q904PaH9fuIcoXvm8ihY=; b=JzQyJmQ63LE7ejNdMleMCQerJRuY5aZ2ilnmIGYvtNB5bmKxyycZubgJO9NSXxfBrB g81LdQBoVJLXYkG8gszfmAeb10B4mHA5QEwFkLS/0Y59LTfTpTIqgprv6SXODIK2AZjy aHemCFB1l11nzKTlBzNheFfIBdSV9MPIy1izBcBWBLPSRkr5cRTi9yQ6Ug8l5x+CT/mE lJ4qGHHCzl7x06jVcDCFj2ORuLgd+U1IqxL55TDwgi4JNL/TChYfzS2oxmuAT0jvopMW 3untqGkrYJs0FPF9H7zbEACpmNsU7VXnh+Y4gqbac9JRA6vsQHom6G0ojgteMU3xmvVs lMCQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=cDacxRWgRzZDTbm8pN2dyc2q904PaH9fuIcoXvm8ihY=; b=hNCoYD4m8wB3vWtdedTSVN4T9c1BLrlYfkeCaGmXGKoVY8IQ6FAIJIybQ6X8I7jkhw umJLZsMBAh/I0iWlbHc+WOxQ6Fh/tA4534bH6QNVrBUjr135ccMLkSRj8bNSAJ3rP4Ub gINwIekYsl22h++eftDOUWWA0aLRSsn4fYkxzfP06lP2Yrxj52sWsiWn+YXdxvExAaqD YBJiiLS5kCJNFeWF6G5ABOPxeWNBg1buxmCKHDSNhB11JlEzJEn8qZmAawRb2kwHc1jE cEoV4asTCabXSscouWjUnukN0NwAplCXUaHjPHCLTaWlhkq6ZWDg8E6JsNxycLH3PXbI HxEQ== X-Received: by 10.50.163.101 with SMTP id yh5mr2228024igb.13.1358361833554; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:43:53 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.10.228 with SMTP id l4ls4330630igb.24.canary; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:43:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.42.159.65 with SMTP id k1mr1558739icx.10.1358361833015; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:43:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.42.159.65 with SMTP id k1mr1558736icx.10.1358361832989; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com (mail-oa0-f52.google.com [209.85.219.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j19si690986iga.2.2013.01.16.10.43.52 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.52; Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id o6so1791173oag.11 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:43:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.172.229 with SMTP id bf5mr1654863oec.81.1358361832712; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.178.237 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:43:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7549994.bcZ8SLmLp3@caracal> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:43:52 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] zergau From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54ee86c83e80804d36c42e1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54ee86c83e80804d36c42e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wro= te: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > >> > >> That would have the additional side benefit of freeing up zergau for > >> "politician". > > > > Sorry. "Legislator". > > I think "criminalize" is a better gloss for "zergau". For "legislator" > I would suggest "flafi'i" (or "xelfla"), since not all laws are about > crimes. > I was half-joking. > >> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Pierre Abbat > wrote: > >>> > >>> There's a sentence "ti'e la .uengas. zergau" in the Book. "zergau", b= y > >>> the > >>> usual "-gau" rule, should mean "x1 makes x2 be a crime in x3's legal > >>> system". > >>> Wouldn't "zertra" be a better word for "criminal"? > > Yes, or "zerzu'e". > > This is a common mistake resulting from "gasnu" being misglossed as > "do" rather than "make". > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDa= s <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That would have the additional side benefit of freeing up zergau f= or
>> "politician".
>
> Sorry. "Legislator".

I think "criminalize" is a better gloss for "zergau&qu= ot;. For "legislator"
I would suggest "flafi'i" (or "xelfla"), since not = all laws are about
crimes.

I was half-joking.
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>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> There's a sentence "ti'e la .uengas. zergau"= in the Book. "zergau", by
>>> the
>>> usual "-gau" rule, should mean "x1 makes x2 be = a crime in x3's legal
>>> system".
>>> Wouldn't "zertra" be a better word for "cri= minal"?

Yes, or "zerzu'e".

This is a common mistake resulting from "gasnu" being misglossed = as
"do" rather than "make".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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