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No, I don't think so.=A0 At least not necessarily.=A0 The UD can be fairly =
small=A0 (and how can large in comparison with infinity be exaggeration neu=
tral?)=A0 And certainly, not everything exists.=A0 Unicorns don't for this =
discourse at least.=A0 And neither does Sherlocke Holmes (any of him).=A0=
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On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

In another thread there were comments that led me to believe that {da} must=
 refer to a thing that actually exists.=A0

.i sampu .i .ia cai zo'o nai ro da zasti .i lo munje cu barda fi lo cimni b=
a'u cu'i=A0

mi'e la stela selckiku=A0

mu'o=A0

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">No, I don't think so.=
&nbsp; At least not necessarily.&nbsp; The UD can be fairly small&nbsp; (an=
d how can large in comparison with infinity be exaggeration neutral?)&nbsp;=
 And certainly, not everything exists.&nbsp; Unicorns don't for this discou=
rse at least.&nbsp; And neither does Sherlocke Holmes (any of him).&nbsp; <=
br><div><span></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: time=
s new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-=
family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div di=
r=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Stela Selckiku &lt;selckiku@gmail.c=
om&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@goog=
legroups.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sa=
turday,
 January 19, 2013 9:13 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject=
:</span></b> Re: [lojban] da and existence<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id=3D"yiv646647829"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"yiv646647829gma=
il_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"yiv646647829gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 19, 20=
13 at 5:25 PM, Luke Bergen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailt=
o=3D"mailto:lukeabergen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:lukeabe=
rgen@gmail.com">lukeabergen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"yiv646647829gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">In another thread there were co=
mments that led me to believe that {da} must refer to a thing that actually=
 exists.&nbsp;</blockquote>

<div><br></div><div style=3D"">.i sampu .i .ia cai zo'o nai ro da zasti .i =
lo munje cu barda fi lo cimni ba'u cu'i&nbsp;</div><div style=3D""><br></di=
v><div style=3D"">mi'e la stela selckiku&nbsp;</div><div style=3D""><br></d=
iv><div style=3D"">

mu'o&nbsp;</div><div style=3D""><br></div></div></div></div>



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