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[212.227.17.21]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g9si6649925eeo.1.2013.01.23.11.34.39; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:34:39 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.21 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.21; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.19]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MIBlI-1U1wNF2YAg-003yMr for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:34:39 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Jan 2013 19:34:39 -0000 Received: from p54AF4030.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [84.175.64.48] by mail.gmx.net (mp019) with SMTP; 23 Jan 2013 20:34:39 +0100 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19PfVpUuhpPjdSjilc/anP8tbuKT7DZFhEWMiLmGy epuDk9iT4xBd0e Message-ID: <51003B4E.6040808@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 20:34:38 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Advanced Place Stucture Mangling References: In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.21 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la tsani cu cusku di'e > P.S. (as in pre scriptum ?) This e-mail turned out longer than I had > originally intended, but I think that it's worthwhile letting the > mailing list in on this discovery I made just yesterday and expanded > today in #lojban. [...] An interesting read, but I'm not sure you can call it a "discovery" if=20 it's been in jbofi'e all along (or is jbofi'e's output what you based=20 your discovery on?): {mi do dunda be ko'a}: [1(2[dunda1 (give-r(s)) :] mi I, me)2 (3[dunda3 (recipient(s)) :] do=20 you)3 [is, does] =AB4{5dunda giv-ing be (6[dunda2 (gift(s)) :] ko'a=20 he/she/it)6}5=BB4]1 Clearly, someone must have implemented it this way (knowingly, I=20 assume). Of course, we cannot be sure that jbofi'e has any authority=20 about such things. The most useful interpretation should optimally be=20 the preferred one. Here is a past thread on this very topic:=20 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/lojban-beginners/QiZ5pF9q34I/MDaYSI0q= 0agJ It doesn't look like there was a consensus of whether "ko'a ko'e ko'i=20 broda" should mean the same as "ko'a ko'e broda be ko'i". Personally, I=20 think it should be as jbofi'e parses it (that is, they are not=20 equivalent), because it gives us more options/flexibility. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.