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Thanks, Pierre.

Sumti that are attached to a selbri in a place that is undefined in
jbovlaste, get a "context dependend" meaning. It would be very stretchy to
interpret the tunlo2 differently from "what is being swallowed". That said,
I think that tunlo2 should have been defined this way since the beginning :)

About lo/le, I have the habit of switching to {le} when I talk about a
specific thing that might have been introduced with {lo}.
After having said {lo labno noi ....} any time I write {le labno} I mean
*that* wolf. If I wrote {lo labno} I might mean another wolf.
Actually I do expect the listener to understand which one I mean, of course
I'm not guaranteed that he/she will but, if I'm careful, I hope I can be
understood. Otherwise it would rather useless to me.



On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:38:00 Remo Dentato wrote:
> > A link would be probably useful :)
> >
> > http://xanrilisri.thecomicseries.com/
>
> According to jbovlaste, "tunlo" does not have an x2. According to jbofi'e,
> it
> does.
>
> Normally in Lojban, unlike English, French, and I suppose also Italian, one
> does not switch from the indefinite article to the definite on second
> reference.
> "le" indicates that the speaker has something in mind, but not that he
> expects
> the listener to know what it is.
>
> Pierre
> --
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Thanks, Pierre.<br><br>Sumti that are attac=
hed to a selbri in a place that is undefined in jbovlaste, get a &quot;cont=
ext dependend&quot; meaning. It would be very stretchy to interpret the tun=
lo2 differently from &quot;what is being swallowed&quot;. That said, I thin=
k that tunlo2 should have been defined this way since the beginning :)<br>
<br></div>About lo/le, I have the habit of switching to {le} when I talk ab=
out a specific thing that might have been introduced with {lo}.<br></div>Af=
ter having said {lo labno noi ....} any time I write {le labno} I mean *tha=
t* wolf. If I wrote {lo labno} I might mean another wolf.<br>
</div>Actually I do expect the listener to understand which one I mean, of =
course I&#39;m not guaranteed that he/she will but, if I&#39;m careful, I h=
ope I can be understood. Otherwise it would rather useless to me.<br><br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun,=
 Jan 27, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Sunday, January 27, 201=
3 11:38:00 Remo Dentato wrote:<br>
&gt; A link would be probably useful :)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://xanrilisri.thecomicseries.com/" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://xanrilisri.thecomicseries.com/</a><br>
<br>
</div>According to jbovlaste, &quot;tunlo&quot; does not have an x2. Accord=
ing to jbofi&#39;e, it<br>
does.<br>
<br>
Normally in Lojban, unlike English, French, and I suppose also Italian, one=
<br>
does not switch from the indefinite article to the definite on second refer=
ence.<br>
&quot;le&quot; indicates that the speaker has something in mind, but not th=
at he expects<br>
the listener to know what it is.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
--<br>
li fi&#39;u vu&#39;u fi&#39;u fi&#39;u du li pa<br>
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