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On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:07:21 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Ian Johnson <blindb...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> This should be done with {bi'u nai} instead, if the explicitness is 
>> desired. It is somewhat of a shame that {lo bi'u nai} is as long as it is.
>>
>
> I disagree. {le} is the specific article, he's referring to a specific 
> thing. This is the reason why {le} exists.
>

Even if so it has nothing to do with {bi'unai}. "specific thing" might 
solve the problem of "any" but not the problem of the definite article in 
the meaning of referring to things previously mentioned.


 
>
>> mi'e la latro'a mu'o
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Remo Dentato <rden...@gmail.com<javascript:>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> About lo/le, I have the habit of switching to {le} when I talk about a 
>>> specific thing that might have been introduced with {lo}.
>>> After having said {lo labno noi ....} any time I write {le labno} I mean 
>>> *that* wolf. If I wrote {lo labno} I might mean another wolf.
>>> Actually I do expect the listener to understand which one I mean, of 
>>> course I'm not guaranteed that he/she will but, if I'm careful, I hope I 
>>> can be understood. Otherwise it would rather useless to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Pierre Abbat <ph...@bezitopo.org<javascript:>
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:38:00 Remo Dentato wrote:
>>>> > A link would be probably useful :)
>>>> >
>>>> > http://xanrilisri.thecomicseries.com/
>>>>
>>>> According to jbovlaste, "tunlo" does not have an x2. According to 
>>>> jbofi'e, it
>>>> does.
>>>>
>>>> Normally in Lojban, unlike English, French, and I suppose also Italian, 
>>>> one
>>>> does not switch from the indefinite article to the definite on second 
>>>> reference.
>>>> "le" indicates that the speaker has something in mind, but not that he 
>>>> expects
>>>> the listener to know what it is.
>>>>
>>>> Pierre
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<br><br>On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:07:21 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:<blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left=
: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan=
 27, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascri=
pt:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"kCgvRTA6ZxoJ">blindb...@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
This should be done with {bi'u nai} instead, if the explicitness is desired=
. It is somewhat of a shame that {lo bi'u nai} is as long as it is.<br></bl=
ockquote><div><br>I disagree. {le} is the specific article, he's referring =
to a specific thing. This is the reason why {le} exists.<br></div></div></b=
lockquote><div><br></div><div>Even if so it has nothing to do with {bi'unai=
}. "specific thing" might solve the problem of "any" but not the problem of=
 the definite article in the meaning of referring to things previously ment=
ioned.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>
&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">mi'e la latro'a mu'o<div><div><b=
r><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Remo Dentato <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"kCgvRTA6ZxoJ">=
rden...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><br></div>About lo/le, I have the habit of =
switching to {le} when I talk about a specific thing that might have been i=
ntroduced with {lo}.<br></div>After having said {lo labno noi ....} any tim=
e I write {le labno} I mean *that* wolf. If I wrote {lo labno} I might mean=
 another wolf.<br>


</div>Actually I do expect the listener to understand which one I mean, of =
course I'm not guaranteed that he/she will but, if I'm careful, I hope I ca=
n be understood. Otherwise it would rather useless to me.<br><br>


</div><div><div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 27, 201=
3 at 4:20 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"kCgvRTA6ZxoJ">ph...@bezitopo.org</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:38:00 Re=
mo Dentato wrote:<br>
&gt; A link would be probably useful :)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://xanrilisri.thecomicseries.com/" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://xanrilisri.<wbr>thecomicseries.com/</a><br>
<br>
</div>According to jbovlaste, "tunlo" does not have an x2. According to jbo=
fi'e, it<br>
does.<br>
<br>
Normally in Lojban, unlike English, French, and I suppose also Italian, one=
<br>
does not switch from the indefinite article to the definite on second refer=
ence.<br>
"le" indicates that the speaker has something in mind, but not that he expe=
cts<br>
the listener to know what it is.<br>
<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
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