On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Ian Johnson= <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

{le} will give you something specific that you have in mind but will not sp= ecify that it is aforementioned. The English definite article will. For exa= mple, "A dog bit the boy. The dog went into the house" refers to = one dog across both sentences. {lo gerku cu batci lo nanla .i le gerku cu k= lama lo zdani} does not do this; the dog in the second sentence is specific= but could be an entirely new dog. {lo bi'u nai gerku} would not have h= ad this problem.

-mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Jona= than Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, Jan = 27, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

This should be done with {bi'u nai} instead, if the explicitness is des= ired. It is somewhat of a shame that {lo bi'u nai} is as long as it is.=

I disagree. {le} is the specific article, h= e's referring to a specific thing. This is the reason why {le} exists.<= br> =A0
mi'e la latro'a m= u'o

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

About lo/le, I have the habit of = switching to {le} when I talk about a specific thing that might have been i= ntroduced with {lo}.
After having said {lo labno noi ....} any tim= e I write {le labno} I mean *that* wolf. If I wrote {lo labno} I might mean= another wolf.

Actually I do expect the listener to understand which one I mean, of = course I'm not guaranteed that he/she will but, if I'm careful, I h= ope I can be understood. Otherwise it would rather useless to me.

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>= ; wrote:

On Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:38:00 Re= mo Dentato wrote:
> A link would be probably useful :)
>
> ht= tp://xanrilisri.thecomicseries.com/

According to jbovlaste, "tunlo" does not have an x2. Accord= ing to jbofi'e, it
does.

Normally in Lojban, unlike English, French, and I suppose also Italian, one=
does not switch from the indefinite article to the definite on second refer= ence.
"le" indicates that the speaker has something in mind, but not th= at he expects
the listener to know what it is.

Pierre
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