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[85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m6si976424een.1.2013.01.28.05.40.50 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 28 Jan 2013 05:40:50 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4dbc2e1b.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.46.27]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C7DF386025B for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:40:49 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:40:49 +0100 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Aesop's "The Wolf and the Crane" Message-ID: <20130128134049.GJ20956@samsa.fritz.box> References: <1696426.fuu6unn560@caracal> <47fd82fb-126d-41a3-aa58-fca6ab2fdbde@googlegroups.com> <20130128102447.GH20956@samsa.fritz.box> <567c078e-13fa-45c1-b22d-c57a45eed8af@googlegroups.com> <20130128125103.GI20956@samsa.fritz.box> <3bbf41a0-9bcd-4ab3-a78c-a6c4c17e6e8d@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Tv3+oRj6D9L8lW+H" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3bbf41a0-9bcd-4ab3-a78c-a6c4c17e6e8d@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --Tv3+oRj6D9L8lW+H Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 05:14:09AM -0800, la gleki wrote: > On Monday, January 28, 2013 4:51:03 PM UTC+4, v4hn wrote: > > That's part of the current state of discussion on the "any" matter.=20 > > You're welcome to discuss this in the appropriate thread.=20 > > >=20 > Let's assume (roughly) that english "the" has two meanings. >=20 > 1. "the" =3D {bi'unai} > 2. "the" =3D {le}, "a"/"any"=3D{lo} >=20 > KOhA and BY are alternative ways of saying "the" in it's first meaning. A= re=20 > you happy with this scheme? 1st: I don't see how this is a response to my explanation of the "any" disc= ussion or an elaboration on the alleged ambiguity of {le} so you didn't answe= r to most of the mail you quoted up to now 2nd: I'm not sure I understand your scheme 3rd: {lo} is _not_ "a" and definitly not "any". Did you even read the last answer? 4th: the english "the" is ambiguous in whether or not it is attributive. That, however, is the major distinction between {le} and {lo}. I think, though I'm unsure, the english "the" _always_ implies {bi'una= i}, at least I can't think of any example where it doesn't. 5th: I agree to the KOhA/BY part. v4hn --Tv3+oRj6D9L8lW+H Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlEGf+EACgkQMBKLZs4+wjzHcgCfR8RC6aQvI27OYymiM9TIb72O PcMAoKQZCt+5Jb3xbzCcwpG1iGvKCQ0v =T6e2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Tv3+oRj6D9L8lW+H--