On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Michael Turniansky <= mturniansky@gmai= l.com> wrote:

=A0 Okay, that's what I thought you were going for. = =A0So my second translation of "lo nu mi gansu kei na selki'u no d= a" is what your intended meaning. =A0"My action is not justified = by nothing" (i.e. -> "lo nu mi =A0gansu kei selki'u su'= ;o da" (my action is justified by=A0something)) =A0The discomfort that= I have with the negativity being =A0part of the brivla instead of within t= he arguments is thinking "okay, what would 'lo broda cu tolselki&#= 39;u lo brode' mean?" lo broda is justified by something, but not = by brode? =A0If so, why not simply write "lo broda cu selki'u na&#= 39;e bo lo brode" or even simpler, "lo broda na selki'u lo br= oda"? =A0 It just doesn't feel to me (pe'i) that "krinu&q= uot; has a polar opposite in the same way that say "canci" or &qu= ot;banli" does. =A0It's not on any kind of scale -- A is either a = reason for B, or it's not.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:21 PM, = Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:

My intention= :

{lo nu mi gasnu} -> my doing
{na tolselki'u}= -> is not unjustified (without reason)

I hoped the lujuvo would have been clear enough being based on {t= o'e se krinu}

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Michael Turniansky &l= t;mturniansky@gm= ail.com> wrote:

=A0 I= 'm not sure what you mean by "lo nu mi gasnu kei=A0n= a tolselki'u" Are you trying to say something along the lines of &= quot;lo nu mi gasnu kei na selki'u la'edi'u"? =A0Or perhap= s "lo nu mi gasnu kei na selki'u noda"? =A0(I guess it's = mostly the meaning of the lujvo that's confusing me)

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 3:58 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail= .com> wrote:

=
Another page: "The Wild Boar and the Fox".

I would really benefit from getting some comment.

Btw, I tried to contact Nick Nicholas without success, anyone has= been in contact with him lately?

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Remo Dentato <r= dentato@gmail.com> wrote:

New page added wi= th nitcion translation of "the fox and the grapes".

= Any contribution/comment/feedback is welcome!

mu'o mi'e la remod

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Remo Den= tato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:

What fool am I? I should have checked before. Of cour= se some Aesop fables were already translated in the pre-xorlo era by Nick N= icholas!
I didn't check if it was before or after the great rafsi re= allocation.

I'll try to check with Nick if he's fine with me re-adapting th= em to a post-xorlo version.

mu'o mi'e la remod.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com>= wrote:

I've translated one of the Ae= sop fable ("The Crab and hist Mother") and posted it here:
http:/= /xanrilisri.thecomicseries.com/

Aesop seems a good choice for translating into Lojban as the text= is rather short, there's no copyright and it is available in many lang= uages.

I intended to start from project Gutenberg text (http://www.gu= tenberg.org/ebooks/19994) but I noticed the English version is rather d= ifferent from the original!
So, for this translation I relied more on the Italian translation (http://www.lafeltrinel= li.it/products/9788854138476/Favole_Testo_greco_a_fronte_Ediz_Integrale/Eso= po.html) that matches the Greek text (http://mythfolklore.net/aesop= ica/chambry/151.htm) much better.

If anyone has made other Aesop translations and wants me to publi= sh it, let me know, I'll be happy to add them.

As usual, p= lease let me know of any mistake I might have made.

mu'o m= i'e la .remod.

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