Received: from mail-ia0-f184.google.com ([209.85.210.184]:43060) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U1Cmz-00056L-3n; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:20:19 -0800 Received: by mail-ia0-f184.google.com with SMTP id i1sf1409333iaa.1 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:19:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=N6sqdn7p21H9AzpOJJT9WuY/2CgoOjVyHqAbW30dfVk=; b=V0fGZOyx7TWAPXcIGptJTthE/KHUWPiK8kjTWNLHa8DnakYBS2GNnBWwkHLDW9HCPe e3+Gi3CwXpmn7a5MltQdc4qcPWU2ir0SoA0U+Vak6TyjpA53xGQFhxdafl86VShHtzr3 MzK9qcf5kaGL9TWsTm6jFCYFTtkM5I2d2UBoPhjNb5t60xAdddUaGuu3DfI8WOmCgOSb aBKVXsTwvn5pqTTq6T6GGci2OrgWKzFojv2Tlu0Peuk0hzzxECZeok2lJWxTaXc6UhOV 4b+WrL1Viq/W7NReXT7wUv1eIEMzoPwWf9SROHXtN2YsrQG1LaV8mf+fZGtx1FuivgB/ b/RA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=N6sqdn7p21H9AzpOJJT9WuY/2CgoOjVyHqAbW30dfVk=; b=TXqjtrdkQl2l1Z6xtaOLKwhLnyZfqo1mtTNgjOUBSkTz86dczIA2JRs3muHGmpaget MUnRs3VOEJZY38OD9T4M678dTboQXfMS8AZLPZCmusQoWFJ0ntYFyohwKRysyjsjp4Z2 OiNHxqb0Bu4pnHHxffzk6DG9geaM/7fDQ6JwCnRjSZfPyLXmt0HcA9JcqOTrKx6bnfA+ AAH8+TRIS2pa+zlihm61CcQbkxqFv0gjGte40RWLzXv/tkSsy60JihXHmUZzSkMVoCl2 +HTkczP9TNA1P0gQdUpVlAehmjCq5wh6YNGEVI1pU1BsfhvOdlTxSu4Zjq5TBhgJhjkh Tm0A== X-Received: by 10.49.28.162 with SMTP id c2mr1083056qeh.41.1359710398443; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:19:58 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.104.110 with SMTP id gd14ls1133168qeb.64.gmail; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:19:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.49.58.167 with SMTP id s7mr1083155qeq.5.1359710397038; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:19:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 01:19:56 -0800 (PST) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <4e17714e-a6ba-47b5-9231-cde773ed3e47@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20130109142120.GF14601@samsa.fritz.box> <50ED84E7.7070405@gmx.de> <50F6A877.20208@lojban.org> <8da8d71e-8c9b-4299-b9f9-e8c180f602a9@googlegroups.com> <6d9dc8ae-3c1b-45f7-99b2-67a99e5ddc2e@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] request for a new gismu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episodic_memory MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1618_5886386.1359710396531" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1618_5886386.1359710396531 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thursday, January 17, 2013 8:40:03 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:05 PM, la gleki > > wrote: > >> Could you please provide other useful examples of different meaningful >> translations of brivla that differ in type of NU? > > > .i lo mi gerku cu vajni mi > > .i lonu bamfa'u la.perl.xarber. cu vajni lonu lo mergu'e cu cmizu'e lo > remoi baljamna > > .i lo jbobau cu bangu mi losi'o mupli > > .i lo glibau cu bangu do lodu'u preti > Oh sorry once again. I still wasn't clear enough. Of course si'o/du'u are somewhat similar (I thought everybody has read http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ka%2C+du%27u%2C+si%27o%2C+ce%27u%2C+zo%27e and la tsani's paper on abstractions based on it). So I have no questions regarding your examples. *So my question is "Is it possible to change {nu} to {du'u/si'o} or {ka} in one of abstraction places of a brivla so that it'll lead to meaningful change in meaning?* > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_1618_5886386.1359710396531 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thursday, January 17, 2013 8:40:03 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
On Wed, J= an 16, 2013 at 11:05 PM, la gleki <gleki.is...@g= mail.com> wrote:
Could you please provide other useful examples of different meaningful tran= slations of brivla that differ in type of NU?

.i lo m= i gerku cu vajni mi

.i lonu bamfa'u la.perl.xarber. cu vajni lonu lo= mergu'e cu cmizu'e lo remoi baljamna

.i lo jbobau cu bangu mi losi'o mupli

.i lo glibau cu bangu do l= odu'u preti


Oh sorry once again. I still wasn't clear enough. Of course si'o/du'u are= somewhat similar (I thought everybody has read http://www.lojban.org/tiki/= ka%2C+du%27u%2C+si%27o%2C+ce%27u%2C+zo%27e and la tsani's paper on abstract= ions based on it).
So I have no questions regarding your examples= .

So my question is "Is it possible to change {= nu} to {du'u/si'o} or {ka} in one of abstraction places of a brivla so that= it'll lead to meaningful change in meaning?

<= br>

--
mu'o mi'e = .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patf= u do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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