Received: from mail-qe0-f59.google.com ([209.85.128.59]:55840) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1U1fbZ-00060j-L9; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 08:06:24 -0800 Received: by mail-qe0-f59.google.com with SMTP id b4sf1758538qen.24 for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 08:06:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=zsd6T6ox8DQ3Azd/Y8kXwAaPpTpOREgc2fzLNz89b9E=; b=UL2TpjHUy2FsB3ZsYKtwsZkY1bprjtzGkJtLV8rdYYWxjAWFdRWPKxpQte56I7Ztgf CJMPDBhnFyIpzrQy7OeLt4gnxl+dQY0IlPWa9CC4JbM+EM0LF74+ddPJvN7jgMJcxgO4 A10OzjUhuDf6N8xUIMiJSo8pYXCvXXymPRrGeMTZInYxPsm+bZVcyeYsrAs3idfWdllV tSZ8rlQHVPTsFQTkSajzaweSqWtVXBDA3jQ7z/sOwLFs6SqGMQykG/q/U1vvFOEIvx0b b+HWtfppWa6Eb1KTsPeeF/T5jjtrgC0zg/SMg1exzXUnatGE1NMosvrAbmLRTJjwo+jv njFw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=zsd6T6ox8DQ3Azd/Y8kXwAaPpTpOREgc2fzLNz89b9E=; b=a63k/C31DKm7CthrSWVFKZTIYeTJb4Ps5Jpev6kNVpsILx2AIz3cLmfxIu8aoN5wuo ZQ6OtmooCqCSccO7gxEIpIY6fn8I+Gsv72p81unxOBJrKLdaBSblLKIJ1E3cxO7IdWr0 vokHaoVvC+iltVfmTHxlcLEKq+vA76l56DzqDSELzh1p+filMBAUtlrSjtJN7goLQpbc ULMYCK+D/iSf693XP2qXfzUKdVaAjoSzl/ni1UnGU/VNN3pvt9W/Z4q4aONu6e6Mc429 7jq6pbWagrp5ZmGOBMkxKIypUZkNN81Cg7JGyWX61Xy3P0rnUetLQ0e/pP/FSSXsHpSY 8naA== X-Received: by 10.50.154.193 with SMTP id vq1mr197534igb.4.1359821166639; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 08:06:06 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.36.168 with SMTP id r8ls855416igj.40.canary; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 08:06:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.74.39 with SMTP id q7mr1808826pav.36.1359821166110; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 08:06:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.74.39 with SMTP id q7mr1808825pav.36.1359821166099; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 08:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pb0-f42.google.com (mail-pb0-f42.google.com [209.85.160.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c2si1785015pav.0.2013.02.02.08.06.06 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 02 Feb 2013 08:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.42; Received: by mail-pb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id wz17so2581043pbc.1 for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 08:06:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.79.97 with SMTP id i1mr38856652pax.47.1359821166020; Sat, 02 Feb 2013 08:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.233.225 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Feb 2013 08:06:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 13:06:05 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {makau} {mokau} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > > {djuno2} is actually a ka, but we pretend that it isn't because the gimste > made its definition clumsy to use that way. Indeed, the djuno2 is a property > of the djuno3. We could say that "djuno" is a sumti raising predicate, in the linguistic sense of "raising" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_(linguistics) since its x3 is the semantic argument of an embedded predicate. The same can be said of almost all predicates that take a ka-argument. (There are a couple of oddball predicates that the gi'uste says should take ka but are not in this category.) mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.